The Boxing thread

[ono]

Been thinking about doing this for a while. So it's here.

I'll kick off with Pacquiao - Margarito 24/7 episode 1

Pacquiao - Margarito (13/11/10 - Sky Sports 2am).

Pacquiao's record <a class="postlink" href="http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=6129&cat=boxer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer</a>

Margarito's record <a class="postlink" href="http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=11677&cat=boxer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer</a>

Part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ec2m5LYoG4&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]


Part 2
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp3zBlR-P0E[/youtube]


Who's everyone got? I'm going for a Pacquiao UD.

 

[Armaan]

Strong feeling this fight is fixed. Why would Arum go through all that shit to get a cheater back in to boxing if he was legitimately gonna have a chance at beating Manny. Why would he reward a cheater with the biggest payday of his life? Not forgetting that IF he won his name would be right up there. Doesnt make sense to me. Arum will not let his cash cow lose!

 

[conormcfc]

Glad you made this thread mate, have thought about doing it myself a few times. A lot easier than making a new thread every time you want to talk boxing. Just hope it doesn't die out and I end up posting in here on my own haha.

Watched the first 24/7 episode yesterday, what struck me was how cocky Pac seems to have gotten in the past year. Taking the piss out of Floyd's resume, the comments about Margarito's handwraps had me pissing myself for about 5 minutes "Coach, put my handwrap in my hand, I'm gonna close my eyes" haha. Maybe he's taking Marg a bit lightly? I dunno. He's right though with the handwrap thing, there's absolutely no way you wouldn't realize you had basically a block of cement in your wrap imo.

I've also got a Pac UD btw.<br /><br />-- 27 Oct 2010, 03:42 --<br /><br />

Strong feeling this fight is fixed. Why would Arum go through all that shit to get a cheater back in to boxing if he was legitimately gonna have a chance at beating Manny. Why would he reward a cheater with the biggest payday of his life? Not forgetting that IF he won his name would be right up there. Doesnt make sense to me. Arum will not let his cash cow lose!

Must there be a conspiracy about everything?

 

[Dirty Harry]

Can see a mid to late stoppage for Pacman here tbh, didn`t see Margarito`s last fight so can`t really comment on that or his mind-set but the way SSM dealt with him (and granted SSM really rolled back the years on that one) I can see this one going in a similar fashion.

 

[Bojinov The Bull]

By all accounts (Freddy Roach) Manny isn't upto his usual standard for this training camp, he's behind schedule and doesn't seem to have his heart in it as much, Roach thinks it could be his last fight as politics is gradually taking over his life!

It would be a shame if that happened and we never got to see Manny v Floyd but that sums up boxing for me at the moment, a few years ago I was really into it, people like Hatton, Calzaghe and Haye in England as well as some great young guys in America like Kelly Pavlik then it just became a circus. I know to a certain extent boxing always has been but recently you just seem to be getting all these mix matched fights with lightweights taking on super middlewights and middleweights taking on light heavyweights, Pavlik as an example, he took on Hopkins, lost and its basically destroyed his career at the highest level, he didn't NEED to do that fight at all but money talks in boxing and thats what ruined or at least set his career back!

Finally, the whole system of ranks needs to be sorted out, its ridiculous that someone like Fraudley Harrison can get a world title shot after doing fuck all, it always happens, they need to have it properly set out where all of the people in each division fight each other, work their way up the rankings then the top 2 have a title fight!

 

[Armaan]

Can see a mid to late stoppage for Pacman here tbh, didn`t see Margarito`s last fight so can`t really comment on that or his mind-set but the way SSM dealt with him (and granted SSM really rolled back the years on that one) I can see this one going in a similar fashion.

He was shit in his last fight against a crappy opponent.

Strong feeling this fight is fixed. Why would Arum go through all that shit to get a cheater back in to boxing if he was legitimately gonna have a chance at beating Manny. Why would he reward a cheater with the biggest payday of his life? Not forgetting that IF he won his name would be right up there. Doesnt make sense to me. Arum will not let his cash cow lose!

Must there be a conspiracy about everything?

No, but it sounds dodgy to me

 

[leighton]

Regarding Pac v Margarito my money will be on Margarito. Both looked poor in there last fight. Since the so called doping Pac has looked poor against the durable Clottey but it seemed to me his power was gone at that weight in the fight. So Mexico v Pacman again it will be a all out war with Margarito he will be stronger at this weight than Pacman or has Pacman got it at a catch weight yet again. IF not it favours Margarito if you ask me can Pacman take the shots that Margarito can put together he has blasted some opponents out himself.

 

[conormcfc]

Regarding Pac v Margarito my money will be on Margarito. Both looked poor in there last fight. Since the so called doping Pac has looked poor against the durable Clottey but it seemed to me his power was gone at that weight in the fight. So Mexico v Pacman again it will be a all out war with Margarito he will be stronger at this weight than Pacman or has Pacman got it at a catch weight yet again. IF not it favours Margarito if you ask me can Pacman take the shots that Margarito can put together he has blasted some opponents out himself.

He's got a catchweight again. I don't get why the light middleweight (154) title should be on the line when they're fighting at 151 or something.

I don't think Pac looked that poor against Clottey, he did what he could with what was basically a human punchbag. Look at Marg against Shane, he got absolutely punished. Maybe that's an indication of how good Marg really is without the illegal handwraps?

Pac never had the one punch power to begin with, it's just that everyone else apart from Clottey have been walking straight onto his shots. Margarito has an ideal style for Pac, he'll walk straight onto Pac's left hand all night.

 

[leighton]

Look at the big fights Pac has had over the years he boxed Del La Hoya who dropped down 10 pounds give or take compared to the weight when he got beaten by Money.
Then his next test was Cotto was at a catch weight at this time I beleive Cotto was strugling a bit with making the weight and with him having to come in at 145 instead of say 147 it made it a bit harder for Cotto to make the weight. Cotto looked drained during that fight no power to bother Pacman which is fucking crazy as he has been in the past a lethal body puncher and racked up some KO's.
Now again it favours Pac by another catchweight and with another title on the line it favours Pac why the fuck is a title on the line at a catch weight again. Pacman will go down a best catch weight fighter of all time as I cant remember many fighters fighting for a world titles at catch weights.
Its begining to take away for the fights I would watch time and time again with the Mexicans over the years they got the best out of Pac at no catch weights and maybe those wars has got him to the point were the catchweight is the easier fight for him.

 

[Armaan]

Regarding Pac v Margarito my money will be on Margarito. Both looked poor in there last fight. Since the so called doping Pac has looked poor against the durable Clottey but it seemed to me his power was gone at that weight in the fight. So Mexico v Pacman again it will be a all out war with Margarito he will be stronger at this weight than Pacman or has Pacman got it at a catch weight yet again. IF not it favours Margarito if you ask me can Pacman take the shots that Margarito can put together he has blasted some opponents out himself.

He's got a catchweight again. I don't get why the light middleweight (154) title should be on the line when they're fighting at 151 or something.

I don't think Pac looked that poor against Clottey, he did what he could with what was basically a human punchbag. Look at Marg against Shane, he got absolutely punished. Maybe that's an indication of how good Marg really is without the illegal handwraps?

Pac never had the one punch power to begin with, it's just that everyone else apart from Clottey have been walking straight onto his shots. Margarito has an ideal style for Pac, he'll walk straight onto Pac's left hand all night.

Personally I don't think you can really make a judgment on margaritos true skill based on that mosley fight. I don't think his head was in that fight tbh. He had just got caught cheating, that must have put him off his game mentally surely

 

[ono]

This is quite interesting...

<a class="postlink" href="http://ringsidereport.com/?p=5280" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://ringsidereport.com/?p=5280</a>

Basically it says Freddie Roach had to stop sparring between Amir Khan and Manny Pacquiao, because Khan battered the living piss out of him and then badly hurt him with a shot. Sparring was stopped after just 3 rounds.

It could be bullshit, but there are whispers of Pacquiao not being 'on it' in training. Margarito isn't the type of person you can take lightly.

 

[leighton]

Ono I wouldnt say the report was bullshit. I have said about Pac that since the so called drugs cheating when the first fight with Money broke down since that Pac has looked a shadow of himself. Maybe Moneys team were right about Pac taking stuff because no matter what people say when you go up the weights your Ko power may go up to 1 division maybe 2 but Pac has been sparking people out for fun at whatever weight division he was fighting in. Until the rumours came out and his preformace in his last fight it seemed like his power was gone still blessed with quick hands. It wont shock me if he retires either after this fight and goes into politics full time.

 

[ono]

Ono I wouldnt say the report was bullshit. I have said about Pac that since the so called drugs cheating when the first fight with Money broke down since that Pac has looked a shadow of himself. Maybe Moneys team were right about Pac taking stuff because no matter what people say when you go up the weights your Ko power may go up to 1 division maybe 2 but Pac has been sparking people out for fun at whatever weight division he was fighting in. Until the rumours came out and his preformace in his last fight it seemed like his power was gone still blessed with quick hands. It wont shock me if he retires either after this fight and goes into politics full time.

Yeah think Roach hinted at him doing that. His power doesn't shock me though. It never has. He knocked Diaz out after throwing the kitchen sink at him for the majority of the fight. He hurt Hatton and Cotto when they walked on to shots, thus amplifying the power. Besides, neither Hatton nor Cotto have ever really had granite chins.

It's a complete myth that Hatton's chin is anything other than average, and the myth grew when he beat Kostya Tszyu. I can name at least half a dozen fighters who've had Hatton in pretty big trouble, and that's without mentioning his KO losses.

So what Pacquiao did to those two isn't out of the ordinary imo.

It's hard to show your power against somebody like Clottey because he just covers up and barely throws. Pacquiao's power comes from his speed and accuracy and his knockdowns normally come when his opponent is moving forwards. Clottey never really did that.<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:02 pm --<br /><br />Thought i'd add this genius of a video. It's Tyson Fury's post fight interview after he beat John McDermott. It's fucking legendary. Haha

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,13273_6230502,00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0, ... 02,00.html</a>

You have to watch it. Hahahahaha

 

[leighton]

Tyson Fury is always 1 that you get the odd laugh at watching from punching himself in a fight to crying like a big baby.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM[/youtube]

He is related to Andy Lee the Irish Middleweight fighter who has been sparking people out back in the US again. They were looking at trying to get a Lee v Barker fight going before Macklin stepped back down to European level. Honestly feel that both Lee and Macklin could end up winning world titles at Middleweight. I can imagine a packed out o2 for a big unification fight between 2 Irish men for a World titles that would be mint.

 

[ono]

Tyson Fury is always 1 that you get the odd laugh at watching from punching himself in a fight to crying like a big baby.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFP-R_LYSM[/youtube]

He is related to Andy Lee the Irish Middleweight fighter who has been sparking people out back in the US again. They were looking at trying to get a Lee v Barker fight going before Macklin stepped back down to European level. Honestly feel that both Lee and Macklin could end up winning world titles at Middleweight. I can imagine a packed out o2 for a big unification fight between 2 Irish men for a World titles that would be mint.

I remember the 'self punch'. It was quality.

I was very impressed everytime i saw Andy Lee until he fought Bryan Vera. He got into a war with him, but the stoppage was a more than a little premature if i remember correctly. He was on his feet and he fired back with a punch as the ref jumped in. If he sticks to his boxing he can go a long way. He has talent.

 

[g.dog marshall.]

ono,just want to no who you think would win between amir and murray. i personally think murray would wipe the floor with him and thats just not because hes a blue. i have been lucky enough to speak to a lot off the camp and think they really no there stuff.p.s tyson furys family are mad as!!!

 

[Dirty Harry]

I know I`m not Ono but personally I think Khan is all wrong for John and I`m a big Murray fan, watched him since way back.

 

[ono]

ono,just want to no who you think would win between amir and murray. i personally think murray would wipe the floor with him and thats just not because hes a blue. i have been lucky enough to speak to a lot off the camp and think they really no there stuff.p.s tyson furys family are mad as!!!

Honestly mate, i think Khan would beat him fairly easily. I like Murray a lot but he's regressed imo. It's not his fault, he's promoted really badly and the level of competition is poor and has been for ages.

Khan can match his volume fairly easily, and he's much faster and stronger. Khan's a big light-welterweight despite only moving up around 18 months ago. He'll probably end up at light-middle when he peaks. Murray's a good fighter, but to beat Khan you either need to have excellent variety or you need to pack a knock-out punch and hope you get lucky. Murray doesn't really have either. I'd put Murray on a par with Kevin Mitchell in terms of ability. He could win a world title at some point but i can't see him ever dominating a division, although i would like to be wrong on that.

Roach is developing an excellent style which is hard to beat because it relies on volume and hand speed. That's why Pacquiao is so good. Joe Calzaghe was also unbeaten with that style, although Pacquaio is obviously a better fighter than Calzaghe.

The only problem i see with Khan is his chin. It might be a little more solid now he isn't struggling with the weight like he was at 135, but nobody really knows until he gets tagged again.

So for me 9 times out of 10, Khan beats Murray fairly handily. Khan's vastly under-rated by a lot of British fight fans. I think he's less of a gobshite than Haye, Froch and Calzaghe aswell, so i do struggle to see why the majority seem to hope he gets knocked out. I don't even buy the 'lack of quality opposition' theory. There aren't many, if any, other 23 year old fighters with a better resume in world boxing. I was inclined to believe Koki Kameda and Devon Alexander ran him close, but Komeda lost in his title fight (although he was a little unlucky), and Alexander struggled very badly with Kotelnik, who Khan wiped the floor with last year.

 

[g.dog marshall.]

ono,just want to no who you think would win between amir and murray. i personally think murray would wipe the floor with him and thats just not because hes a blue. i have been lucky enough to speak to a lot off the camp and think they really no there stuff.p.s tyson furys family are mad as!!!

Honestly mate, i think Khan would beat him fairly easily. I like Murray a lot but he's regressed imo. It's not his fault, he's promoted really badly and the level of competition is poor and has been for ages.

Khan can match his volume fairly easily, and he's much faster and stronger. Khan's a big light-welterweight despite only moving up around 18 months ago. He'll probably end up at light-middle when he peaks. Murray's a good fighter, but to beat Khan you either need to have excellent variety or you need to pack a knock-out punch and hope you get lucky. Murray doesn't really have either. I'd put Murray on a par with Kevin Mitchell in terms of ability. He could win a world title at some point but i can't see him ever dominating a division, although i would like to be wrong on that.

Roach is developing an excellent style which is hard to beat because it relies on volume and hand speed. That's why Pacquiao is so good. Joe Calzaghe was also unbeaten with that style, although Pacquaio is obviously a better fighter than Calzaghe.

The only problem i see with Khan is his chin. It might be a little more solid now he isn't struggling with the weight like he was at 135, but nobody really knows until he gets tagged again.

So for me 9 times out of 10, Khan beats Murray fairly handily. Khan's vastly under-rated by a lot of British fight fans. I think he's less of a gobshite than Haye, Froch and Calzaghe aswell, so i do struggle to see why the majority seem to hope he gets knocked out. I don't even buy the 'lack of quality opposition' theory. There aren't many, if any, other 23 year old fighters with a better resume in world boxing. I was inclined to believe Koki Kameda and Devon Alexander ran him close, but Komeda lost in his title fight (although he was a little unlucky), and Alexander struggled very badly with Kotelnik, who Khan wiped the floor with last year.

ono i totally respect your view because you obviously no your stuff,i just think he would be strong enough and amir who i do like wouldnt be able to take johns power punch.

 

[leighton]

Ono Andy I rate highly. He has the punches and combinations to cause some problems in the Middleweight division. Time will tell if he goes all of the way seems that he will be trying to get a fight on the German undercard of Klitschko v Del Boy if he can then next year rumours are that Duddy v Lee in New York will be made for maybe March next year around Paddys day are the plans.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcwrwy96nlo[/youtube]
Best of Andy Lee here I am on this clip as well sitting ringside.