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Yeah, because he is exciting.

And prior to the Canelo fight, he was brilliant against Collazo and Alexander. Power will always be his kryptonite and he doesn't have the next boxing brain, but he doesn't mind being in dangerous fights and that's something we sadly can't say about a lot of British fighters.

Some British and Irish fighters love to take on a big fight if you can get them. I think if they get offered the big fights tehy take them. I look at some fighters out there some with big promotions behind them can be happy to fight the mandatory or non risky fights. Then others have the competive side where they want to test themselves against the best.

Out there now still fighting mY lIST OF WHO WILL FIGHT ANYONE.
Chris Eubank Jnr
Gavin McDonald
Tyson Fury
Bellew
Frampton
Lee
Crolla
Turbo
The Smith brothers
Haye

All these have had big fights and never turned down the big money fights. Granted some have avoided fights as it didnt make money sense.
 
Some British and Irish fighters love to take on a big fight if you can get them. I think if they get offered the big fights tehy take them. I look at some fighters out there some with big promotions behind them can be happy to fight the mandatory or non risky fights. Then others have the competive side where they want to test themselves against the best.

Out there now still fighting mY lIST OF WHO WILL FIGHT ANYONE.
Chris Eubank Jnr
Gavin McDonald
Tyson Fury
Bellew
Frampton
Lee
Crolla
Turbo
The Smith brothers
Haye

All these have had big fights and never turned down the big money fights. Granted some have avoided fights as it didnt make money sense.
I half agree with that list although...

Eubank Jr has only really been in with Saunders. The GGG fight hasn't occurred yet and until it does, i can't give him credit for it.

Jamie McDonnell i agree with

Fury same although he had nothing to lose going in with Klitschko really. We'll see what his ambitions are once the rematch is done with.

Bellew has never really been in the type of position where he can pick and choose his opponents. I know he fought Stevenson, but he was brought in as the B side.

Frampton fought Quigg and Martinez, but he has shamelessly ducked Rigondeaux. Granted, he is fighting Santa Cruz, but the ducking of Rigondeaux was poor, regardless of the fact it probably wasn't an overly lucrative fight.

Andy Lee - solid enough.

Crolla - Fair play to him although Lightweight is hardly stacked at the minute. Ditto Flanagan and ditto Callum Smith. Fair play to Liam for taking the Alvarez fight.

And don't get me started on Haye. He will only take a risk once he has exhausted the novelty of fighting complete journeymen. Did it first time round at Heavy with Barrett, Ruiz and Harrison before being petrified to throw anything at Valuev and Wlad - and is doing it again this time round.

Khan has a solid history of travelling to fight prime, dangerous and tricky fighters. Alexander, Maidana, Peterson, Collazo. Canelo was obviously very dangerous and even guys like Judah are always tricky. He gets a lot of hate, but in terms of actually boxing, it's laughable when you compare Khan's opposition to Kell Brook's.
 
I half agree with that list although...

Eubank Jr has only really been in with Saunders. The GGG fight hasn't occurred yet and until it does, i can't give him credit for it.

Jamie McDonnell i agree with

Fury same although he had nothing to lose going in with Klitschko really. We'll see what his ambitions are once the rematch is done with.

Bellew has never really been in the type of position where he can pick and choose his opponents. I know he fought Stevenson, but he was brought in as the B side.

Frampton fought Quigg and Martinez, but he has shamelessly ducked Rigondeaux. Granted, he is fighting Santa Cruz, but the ducking of Rigondeaux was poor, regardless of the fact it probably wasn't an overly lucrative fight.

Andy Lee - solid enough.

Crolla - Fair play to him although Lightweight is hardly stacked at the minute. Ditto Flanagan and ditto Callum Smith. Fair play to Liam for taking the Alvarez fight.

And don't get me started on Haye. He will only take a risk once he has exhausted the novelty of fighting complete journeymen. Did it first time round at Heavy with Barrett, Ruiz and Harrison before being petrified to throw anything at Valuev and Wlad - and is doing it again this time round.

Khan has a solid history of travelling to fight prime, dangerous and tricky fighters. Alexander, Maidana, Peterson, Collazo. Canelo was obviously very dangerous and even guys like Judah are always tricky. He gets a lot of hate, but in terms of actually boxing, it's laughable when you compare Khan's opposition to Kell Brook's.

Ono there all in it to make as much money as they can and do the best business as they can. For Frampton a fight with Rigo wont happen. I know Carl wants the fight but the team have always told him there is bigger and better money to be made than taking a risky fight. The Rigo fight wont happen. I cant see Carl dropping back down in weight he has found it hard in his last 2 fights making weight. It seems like his power is going in the divison due to the cut. So this fight with Santa Cruz could see a more powerful Frampton. The fights up there some tasty fights. If Frampton wins I know he will go after Selby or Gary Russel Jnr. I know he wants to be a 2 weight champion and I hope he does it. A really nice guy is Frampton.

As for Haye what can he do at Cruiserweight he took on anyone. Up at heavyweight he boxed Klitschko and Valuez in World title fights I cant knock him. Right now with him out for nearly 2 years he has to move up the rankings he is still a big draw. Fighting bums but when he gets a World Champion I think he will win a World Championship again he is still fresh hasnt taken much damage and the heavyweight division aint got a lot of quaility.
 
I half agree with that list although...

Eubank Jr has only really been in with Saunders. The GGG fight hasn't occurred yet and until it does, i can't give him credit for it.

Jamie McDonnell i agree with

Fury same although he had nothing to lose going in with Klitschko really. We'll see what his ambitions are once the rematch is done with.

Bellew has never really been in the type of position where he can pick and choose his opponents. I know he fought Stevenson, but he was brought in as the B side.

Frampton fought Quigg and Martinez, but he has shamelessly ducked Rigondeaux. Granted, he is fighting Santa Cruz, but the ducking of Rigondeaux was poor, regardless of the fact it probably wasn't an overly lucrative fight.

Andy Lee - solid enough.

Crolla - Fair play to him although Lightweight is hardly stacked at the minute. Ditto Flanagan and ditto Callum Smith. Fair play to Liam for taking the Alvarez fight.

And don't get me started on Haye. He will only take a risk once he has exhausted the novelty of fighting complete journeymen. Did it first time round at Heavy with Barrett, Ruiz and Harrison before being petrified to throw anything at Valuev and Wlad - and is doing it again this time round.

Khan has a solid history of travelling to fight prime, dangerous and tricky fighters. Alexander, Maidana, Peterson, Collazo. Canelo was obviously very dangerous and even guys like Judah are always tricky. He gets a lot of hate, but in terms of actually boxing, it's laughable when you compare Khan's opposition to Kell Brook's.

With Eubank Jr I think credit has to be given for being the only name fighter to actively pursue a fight with him at his current status, meanwhile Saunders is practically rolling over for GGG sucking up big time saying he would need an AK47, he would beat him and another fighter on the same night etc basically saying he would take the fight for a big payday but would have no chance. I also think Saunders owes Eubank more than he realises, to date it's still his biggest win and it was the win that catapulted him into the limelight. Eubank was inexperienced having had a brief amateur background which played into Saunders hands as he outpointed him in the first half of the fight, yet it was Eubank who seemed to be getting stronger and stronger as that fight went on and Saunders back peddling to hold on for the final bell. "Listen" ;) for all of BJS's talk I don't believe he fancies a rematch with a now more experienced and even stronger Eubank Jr at any point in the future, he clearly doesn't want a hard fight the way he talked about GGG.

Haye does like the "tune up" fights and sells them the best he can but really even casuals aren't stupid they can easily look up a fighter online and use a bit of common sense, if they want to see him knock out nobodies and journeymen let them enjoy it. Even the peoples favorite GGG has been doing it but he's getting praise for it because HBO has been doing the hyping of the nobodies for him. Why? because he's a HBO fighter(everyone seems to take their word as gospel which is odd to me... they milk their fighters as much as anyone else)... just look at some of the names on that record, he's not popular for his technical brilliance it's his power and his knockouts and I don't think most know or care enough to know the level of opponent on the canvas. Haye is one of the most technical at his weight-class, he's also one of the fastest and most mobile and one of the most powerful... there's little reason he would dodge anyone with those assets but he is driven by money and fame IMO he's not a fighter that revels in back and forth grueling battles, more making money and looking good(Mayweather is like that somewhat supremely skillful but it's all about what he wants, when he wants... not the fans).

Against a giant like Valuev(which he won and had him wobbled in btw) he is giving up so much weight advantage there that he can't afford to be getting hit or leaned on how did you expect him to fight that, did you actually see the size difference? Same with Wlad (to a lesser extent but still giving up a big advantage), he was much taller and heavier while being pretty technical himself(great jab, good at range)... Wlad also leans on his opponents, clinches and does the dark arts well especially when they are smaller, faster and more mobile than him and it was something he seemingly never got warned for throughout his career over there in Germany. Haye was terrible that night for whatever reason but if peoples expectations were that his gameplan would be to fight on the inside toe to toe then what were they thinking? That's just a bad plan, it would be a lean fest and a clinch fest... all scrappy until Wlad had him at range again as he tired , his plan would have probably been moving in and out of range and the use of lateral movement to make angles for himself to get around his defenses.
 
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With Eubank Jr I think credit has to be given for being the only name fighter to actively pursue a fight with him at his current status, meanwhile Saunders is practically rolling over for GGG sucking up big time saying he would need an AK47, he would beat him and another fighter on the same night etc basically saying he would take the fight for a big payday but would have no chance. I also think Saunders owes Eubank more than he realises, to date it's still his biggest win and it was the win that catapulted him into the limelight. Eubank was inexperienced having had a brief amateur background which played into Saunders hands as he outpointed him in the first half of the fight, yet it was Eubank who seemed to be getting stronger and stronger as that fight went on and Saunders back peddling to hold on for the final bell. "Listen" ;) for all of BJS's talk I don't believe he fancies a rematch with a now more experienced and even stronger Eubank Jr at any point in the future, he clearly doesn't want a hard fight the way he talked about GGG.

Haye does like the "tune up" fights and sells them the best he can but really even casuals aren't stupid they can easily look up a fighter online and use a bit of common sense, if they want to see him knock out nobodies and journeymen let them enjoy it. Even the peoples favorite GGG has been doing it but he's getting praise for it because HBO has been doing the hyping of the nobodies for him. Why? because he's a HBO fighter(everyone seems to take their word as gospel which is odd to me... they milk their fighters as much as anyone else)... just look at some of the names on that record, he's not popular for his technical brilliance it's his power and his knockouts and I don't think most know or care enough to know the level of opponent on the canvas. Haye is one of the most technical at his weight-class, he's also one of the fastest and most mobile and one of the most powerful... there's little reason he would dodge anyone with those assets but he is driven by money and fame IMO he's not a fighter that revels in back and forth grueling battles, more making money and looking good(Mayweather is like that somewhat supremely skillful but it's all about what he wants, when he wants... not the fans).

Against a giant like Valuev(which he won and had him wobbled in btw) he is giving up so much weight advantage there that he can't afford to be getting hit or leaned on how did you expect him to fight that, did you actually see the size difference? Same with Wlad (to a lesser extent but still giving up a big advantage), he was much taller and heavier while being pretty technical himself(great jab, good at range)... Wlad also leans on his opponents, clinches and does the dark arts well especially when they are smaller, faster and more mobile than him and it was something he seemingly never got warned for throughout his career over there in Germany. Haye was terrible that night for whatever reason but if peoples expectations were that his gameplan would be to fight on the inside toe to toe then what were they thinking? That's just a bad plan, it would be a lean fest and a clinch fest... all scrappy until Wlad had him at range again as he tired , his plan would have probably been moving in and out of range and the use of lateral movement to make angles for himself to get around his defenses.
I think with Eubank there seems to be some sort of stalling going on at the minute, although if the fight gets made, fair play to him. I think he beats BJS comfortably in a rematch for what it's worth. I agree that Golovkin has been fed a steady stream of B level fighters. His biggest challenge was probably Lemieux who at best was exciting, and has failed at top level before.

As for Haye, I think he just has difficult figuring out how to land on dangerous opponents, especially if he is at a size disadvantage. I know he beat Valuev, but his output was so low. I didn't expect him to fight on the inside, but I expected him to at least try and get in the pocket a bit more. To me that makes the most sense seen as though fighting at range is difficult and fighting inside leads go bodily contact, which is energy zapping. He played a dangerous game, and I was surprised he got the decision. I think Sky had him losing, and I think I only had it a draw. Bearing in mind Valuev was a total circus freak, it's hardly impressive.

He was equally as inactive against Wlad. All his talk about his explosiveness was all well and good, but if you can't find a way to make it count for anything, it's fairly pointless. Even when he fought Audley, he spent 3 rounds shit scared to throw anything. It's fine to be cautious, but I don't understand how he can possibly genuinely believe his explosiveness will be key to beating AJ, especially after a long period of inactivity. In reality, he will probably be shit scared of throwing anything, and spend 12 rounds poncing around out of range, before dropping a decision. But people will buy into his bullshit so suppose I should shut up and let him crack on haha
 
Kell Brook agreed to fight Golovkin, good on him, that takes some balls but it's what he needs if he's going to make it big. That could be a cracking fight, in London as well. Got to love Golovkin, he doesn't seem to have any of the bullshit around him that other boxers have
 
Kell Brook agreed to fight Golovkin, good on him, that takes some balls but it's what he needs if he's going to make it big. That could be a cracking fight, in London as well. Got to love Golovkin, he doesn't seem to have any of the bullshit around him that other boxers have

Blimey, everyone has wanted Kell to step up his quality of opponents but that is a step too far for me. He'll have one hell of a job to win that. Even though he is a big welter I cant believe he is taking on one of the p4p best in the world, 2 divisions up. Bloody good luck to him.
 
Kell Brook agreed to fight Golovkin, good on him, that takes some balls but it's what he needs if he's going to make it big. That could be a cracking fight, in London as well. Got to love Golovkin, he doesn't seem to have any of the bullshit around him that other boxers have

Will go to that. Will be a great night. Derby day weekend!
 
SO Amir went up to fight Canelo ended badly. Now Kell moves up against the best pound for pound fighter in the world i dont know why. I just think he may well just be on a hiding to nothing. The most powerful puncher there is at the moment for me so this is bordering on stupid. fighting for GGGs titles so its not a bad risk as he will still have his title too.
 
I cannot see why GGG is getting praise for this... Eubank Jr has been making all the right noise, he's a young powerful fighter who has been fighting at his weight from the start of his career yet he chooses to fight someone who will be coming up a weight to face him instead? I can see why he'd take it(same reason Canelo fought Kahn) but to praise him? Hope these GGG fans realise the irony in this after the way they acted about the Canelo vs Kahn fight... he got so much stick for that, it's the hypocrisy in all this bandwagon jumping that bothers me.
 
Apparently the Eubanks priced themselves out of the fight. The standard PPV deal is they get a fee plus whatever PPV sales the fight makes(£3m-4m was the rumoured earnings that Eubank jr would make). The Eubanks wanted complete control over ticket prices,the undercard and even who the commentators were!

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Kell's moment to shine perhaps. The Ingle Gym's hybrid of the Prince/Nelson has real skill. However Golovkin is my favourite fighter, and it's at his weight.
 
Blimey, everyone has wanted Kell to step up his quality of opponents but that is a step too far for me. He'll have one hell of a job to win that. Even though he is a big welter I cant believe he is taking on one of the p4p best in the world, 2 divisions up. Bloody good luck to him.

Big bollocks indeed, will also be a better fight than the expected Eubank one...not a prayer he wins this though, imo... GGG wears him down and will have far to much power..

Hearn deserves a lot of credit for making this... You've gotta love GGG though, his stature has seen him do what a fair few of the elite have not done in years, travel!!

Going this 100%
 
Some big fights starting to get made this year. Good fight for both fighters and Kell will make a few quid. Sadly i only see this going one way. GGG is a rare talent and will be great to see him live.
 
It makes me laugh when gym mates talk about there mates who are fighting in the big fights thinking there guy is going to win even if the odds on that a huge against them. Seen Johnny Nelson coming out and backing up Kell to beat GGG after he moves up 2 weight divisions. I know Kell is big at his weight but fighting Pound 4 Pound best is a huge ask. Also people are not praising GGG for taking on Kell its the other way round. It should be a easy night for GGG.

See Charlie Edwards is fighting for the IBF title at flyweight after only 7 fights crazy stuff and a bit of a ask but a risky fight.
 
Kell is going to get sparked no doubt about it, and the sad thing is he wont be going back down to 147 now imagine he will just end up at 154.

Really he could have dealt with Vargas and had two of the belts at 147 with a few huge fights in front of him for big money, just cant see how jumping up to middleweight for a payday is a good move for him.
Shows Eubank for what he is though, calling out GGG for nothing more than free press.
 
Kell is going to get sparked no doubt about it, and the sad thing is he wont be going back down to 147 now imagine he will just end up at 154.

Really he could have dealt with Vargas and had two of the belts at 147 with a few huge fights in front of him for big money, just cant see how jumping up to middleweight for a payday is a good move for him.
Shows Eubank for what he is though, calling out GGG for nothing more than free press.

Yeah the Eubanks are looking like a laughing stock. Looking for daft money. Who will CEJ fight next. Any fighter would of jumped at the PPV deal. I dont like having Chris Eubank so close in the camp for CEJ as it aint working the dad is like a circus act. I get the feeling if Eubank Senior was taking a back seat they could of had this fight made.
 
Big bollocks indeed, will also be a better fight than the expected Eubank one...not a prayer he wins this though, imo... GGG wears him down and will have far to much power..

Hearn deserves a lot of credit for making this... You've gotta love GGG though, his stature has seen him do what a fair few of the elite have not done in years, travel!!

Going this 100%
To be fair, he's willing to travel because he will be getting paid an awful lot of money to bully a fighter who is nowhere near big enough to trouble him. What's more, he will be gaining UK exposure at a time where his future opposition could be Eubank Jr, Billy Joe Saunders and maybe even James De Gale. I honestly can't understand anyone giving him credit for this fight. I understand he doesn't exactly have a big line of opponents waiting to fight him, but this is a piss take from a sporting point of view.

If Carson Jones can come close to stopping Kel, I dread to think what Golovkin will do.

I actually thinks it's sad that Kel's career has come to. He's wasted his prime fighting god awful mandatories because he is unwilling to part with his belt, and now he's signed to take part in a fight where the best thing he can hope for is 'credible loser' and in actual fact, will possibly take the kind of beating that changes him as a fighter.

Just think Eddie has thrown him under a bus with this one. No lose for him though because he makes money from Brook - Khan, Brook - Eubank, or even from a unification against whoever the weakest other belt holder might be. Shame he's suddenly no longer interested in his mandatory now it's Errol Spence.
 

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