I'm more making the point that he was that good at that young an age before losing his way early. There's a reason he's the youngest HW WC in history.Ah I misread what you were implying, you mean Tysons age in 1987 then? Well that's kind of what I was saying about the fans excuses that's what they pick as his prime more often than not because of the trainer and before his personal problems and so on. He lost to Douglas 3 years later.
Who did he really beat at that age though? There's a reason many point out it wasn't actually a good division when he was coming up. People have rose tinted glasses about that era, he kind of revived it which I already gave him credit for.I'm more making the point that he was that good at that young an age before losing his way early. There's a reason he's the youngest HW WC in history.
Wasn't any worse than it is now and the odd fight aside, he wasn't just beating his opponents, he was destroying them.Who did he really beat at that age though? There's a reason many point out it wasn't actually a good division when he was coming up.
Maybe, but he wasn’t when he fought Buster Douglas and I know he supposedly had personal issues etc at that time but he struggled against anyone who stood up to him and also anyone who was a technical boxer with a good jab and footwork Douglas was a decent fighter in that respect he was also a big lad in much the way Lewis was and these defeats define Mike Tyson’s career much more than blowing away average fighters like Bruno, Thomas, Berbick, Tubbs etc and the likes of a finished HolmesIron mike was already on the decline when he fought Lennox and evander.
Knocking them out you mean? Wilder does that. Also the point is this era isn't considered great people often slate it. Sorry but there's valid reasons to say Tyson was a little overrated and not actually the GOAT. Great fighter don't get me wrong but some go way over the top.Wasn't any worse than it is now and the odd fight aside, he wasn't just beating his opponents, he was destroying them.
No mate, Wilder is chasing people and landing shots to knock them out when they tire, Tyson was just a wrecking ball from the first bell. Struggled against certain types of fighters, mainly the points fighters from good ABA backgrounds, but annihilated everyone else.Knocking them out you mean? Wilder does that. Also the point is this era isn't considered great people often slate it. Sorry but there's valid reasons to say Tyson was a little overrated and not actually the GOAT that's normally a casuals shout IMO.
I'm not suggesting Tyson was as technically deficient as Wilder clearly is but if you're trying to say Tyson was laying down technical masterclasses each fight you're way off, he wasn't that kind of fighter. That was Ali's domain.No mate, Wilder is chasing people and landing shots to knock them out when they tire, Tyson was just a wrecking ball from the first bell. Struggled against certain types of fighters, mainly the points fighters from good ABA backgrounds, but annihilated everyone else.
Absolutely agree with that, hence the struggling against the best of the points boxers ie Holyfield and Lewis (although Lewis' size helped as well). Untouchable as a brawler though.I'm not suggesting Tyson is technically deficient as Wilder clearly is but if you're trying to say Tyson was laying down technical masterclasses each fight you're way off, he wasn't that kind of fighter.
I actually loved Tyson as much as anyone growing up but having looked back in hindsight since I just see it a little different these days. It would be fun to see any of those 3 you mention in that post against today's top heavyweights that's for sure.Absolutely agree with that, hence the struggling against the best of the points boxers ie Holyfield and Lewis (although Lewis' size helped as well). Untouchable as a brawler though.
I think Lewis especially would beat any of them handily. The only reason I could see Holyfield and Tyson possibly struggling is the size of the modern day heavyweights, Lewis was a big bastard in his day and Wilder is a small heavyweight now but Lewis stood an inch shorter than Wilder, 2 inches shorter than AJ and 4 shorter than Fury, he's lighter than the latter two as well.I actually loved Tyson as much as anyone growing up but having looked back in hindsight since I just see it a little different these days. It would be fun to see any of those 3 you mention in that post against today's top heavyweights that's for sure.
Fury's trainer Ben Davison was absolutely gutted when BT interviewed him 20 mins after the result. He genuinely looked and sounded like he'd had just about enough of the sport.Regarding last nights fight did anyone get the unsettling feeling that both camps were far too happy with a draw?
Fury's trainer Ben Davison was absolutely gutted when BT interviewed him 20 mins after the result. He genuinely looked and sounded like he'd had just about enough of the sport.
Just watched it in full without knowing the result. Fury won.
Thought is it possible that the judges could rob Fury but then thought they couldn't be that blatant.
How wrong I was.
When will the authorities clean up the corruption in this sport.
Theres no way Fury was happy with it. I get the impression unfortunately that he sort of expected it no matter what happened. Ben Davidson was raging afterwardsRegarding last nights fight did anyone get the unsettling feeling that both camps were far too happy with a draw? If the next fight ends in a draw and they conveniently keep their unbeaten records in tact for future negotiations with a certain somebody that will settle it for me, hope that's not the case.
Just watched it in full without knowing the result. Fury won.
Thought is it possible that the judges could rob Fury but then thought they couldn't be that blatant.
How wrong I was.
When will the authorities clean up the corruption in this sport.
The judges didnt rob anyone but rather stuck to the script and ensure more money for all involved down the line.