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guys like Brook are getting me back watching the sport again. Hopefully he does Alexander and brings the title back to England.
 
Already talk of Kell Brooks next fight being on PPV, seriously this is what annoys me about boxing, fkin greedy promoters.
 
Lost Pilot said:
Already talk of Kell Brooks next fight being on PPV, seriously this is what annoys me about boxing, fkin greedy promoters.
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So Kell's manager says look we can get you on ITV and pay cheque of £50k or we can get you on PPV and get you £500k. What do you think he would want to do
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Lost Pilot said:
Already talk of Kell Brooks next fight being on PPV, seriously this is what annoys me about boxing, fkin greedy promoters.
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So Kell's manager says look we can get you on ITV and pay cheque of £50k or we can get you on PPV and get you £500k. What do you think he would want to do
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It would be easy to take the big payday now rather than looking at the bigger picture and building a fan base through either Sky or terrestrial TV. Realistically who is going to pay to watch a fighter who outside of hardcore boxing fans isnt exactly 'a name'.
 
The only chance Kell Brook has of being on PPV is a fight with Hatton or Khan and it has to be in the UK. The average sports fan wont pay money for a fight from the US with Brook v Alexander. Its madness Sky have got rid of PPV and thats the way it will stay until the recession is over in my view as the numbers werent adding up. Kell's next fight for the title will more than likely be in the US aswell so its going to be a hard sell to most people.

Out of the fighters out there Kell might well be PPV standard but not yet in my view. Just cant see PPVs on sky for a while yet.
 
leighton said:
The only chance Kell Brook has of being on PPV is a fight with Hatton or Khan and it has to be in the UK. The average sports fan wont pay money for a fight from the US with Brook v Alexander. Its madness Sky have got rid of PPV and thats the way it will stay until the recession is over in my view as the numbers werent adding up. Kell's next fight for the title will more than likely be in the US aswell so its going to be a hard sell to most people.

Out of the fighters out there Kell might well be PPV standard but not yet in my view. Just cant see PPVs on sky for a while yet.
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When did Sky get rif of PPV? The only reason they dont have it is because they dont have anyone decent to show. If Haye had a a fight with Klischko I would bet my house it would be on Sky PPV
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
leighton said:
The only chance Kell Brook has of being on PPV is a fight with Hatton or Khan and it has to be in the UK. The average sports fan wont pay money for a fight from the US with Brook v Alexander. Its madness Sky have got rid of PPV and thats the way it will stay until the recession is over in my view as the numbers werent adding up. Kell's next fight for the title will more than likely be in the US aswell so its going to be a hard sell to most people.

Out of the fighters out there Kell might well be PPV standard but not yet in my view. Just cant see PPVs on sky for a while yet.
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When did Sky get rif of PPV? The only reason they dont have it is because they dont have anyone decent to show. If Haye had a a fight with Klischko I would bet my house it would be on Sky PPV
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I am almost certain it was after the Haye v Harrison fight that sky were looking at PPV as a no go anymore. Then Haye got his Vitali fight which was the last PPV fight. I have got to give Haye credit. He was great at selling a PPV fight. He would be all over tv promoting the fight in the lead up to the fights Haye earner every single penny from his PPV time.
The thing with Sky which fucked them over Warren. He was a **** for PPVs. When Warren went back to Sky from ITV he had Khan on a PPV deal for Sky in his first fight he lost to Prescott. Then Warren was trying to push fighters not PPV standard in my view. So a mixture of Warren / Khan and even the Harrison fight has killed PPV. Look at the best pound for pound in the UK the number 1 fighter Carl Froch has never headlined a Sky PPV.

Lost Pilot said:
You think that fight would be a main event or undercard in the states leigton?
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I think it could well main event a show. Its a proper World title but it wont be down to Kell it would more so be down to Devon Alexander. Also Devon Alexander is a Golden Boy Fighter and he could headline a Golden Boy card in my opinion against Kell. I think Golden Boy will watch Kell closely with him being lined up to fight Khan too in the future.
 
leighton said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
leighton said:
The only chance Kell Brook has of being on PPV is a fight with Hatton or Khan and it has to be in the UK. The average sports fan wont pay money for a fight from the US with Brook v Alexander. Its madness Sky have got rid of PPV and thats the way it will stay until the recession is over in my view as the numbers werent adding up. Kell's next fight for the title will more than likely be in the US aswell so its going to be a hard sell to most people.

Out of the fighters out there Kell might well be PPV standard but not yet in my view. Just cant see PPVs on sky for a while yet.
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When did Sky get rif of PPV? The only reason they dont have it is because they dont have anyone decent to show. If Haye had a a fight with Klischko I would bet my house it would be on Sky PPV
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I am almost certain it was after the Haye v Harrison fight that sky were looking at PPV as a no go anymore. Then Haye got his Vitali fight which was the last PPV fight. I have got to give Haye credit. He was great at selling a PPV fight. He would be all over tv promoting the fight in the lead up to the fights Haye earner every single penny from his PPV time.
The thing with Sky which fucked them over Warren. He was a **** for PPVs. When Warren went back to Sky from ITV he had Khan on a PPV deal for Sky in his first fight he lost to Prescott. Then Warren was trying to push fighters not PPV standard in my view. So a mixture of Warren / Khan and even the Harrison fight has killed PPV. Look at the best pound for pound in the UK the number 1 fighter Carl Froch has never headlined a Sky PPV.

Lost Pilot said:
You think that fight would be a main event or undercard in the states leigton?
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I think it could well main event a show. Its a proper World title but it wont be down to Kell it would more so be down to Devon Alexander. Also Devon Alexander is a Golden Boy Fighter and he could headline a Golden Boy card in my opinion against Kell. I think Golden Boy will watch Kell closely with him being lined up to fight Khan too in the future.
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Froch couldnt even get a TV deal for years. He isnt a big selling name. Khan was supposed to be but nobody likes the arrogant no chin. If we had fighters like Hatton and Haye in there prime then we would see more PPV as these 2 could pull in stupid numbers of casual fans
 
Tbf this is the reason ufc is getting the next generation of combat sport fans...they generally have the monopoly in mma of top fighters bar a couple so big fights happen and they happen regularly. Boxing used to be like that.
 
shevtheblue said:
Tbf this is the reason ufc is getting the next generation of combat sport fans...they generally have the monopoly in mma of top fighters bar a couple so big fights happen and they happen regularly. Boxing used to be like that.
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True but boxing is now seeing the UFC as a rival now and your seeing more and more high profile fights being made or trying to be made now.

I know with matchroom. Look at the fights the Hearns are making for some of there fighters they are testing them in big time compared to Frank Maloney , Frank Warren and other UK promotors. I look at Frampton , Bellew and Brook and all 3 have been pushed on great by Matchroom. Thats what boxing needs is 50-50 fights.

Also I look at the Super 6 last year that was great for boxing and I can see it happening again. UFC is good but I just dont think it will over take boxing for a long time in my view.
 
With respect I don't think you can say Frampton vs Molitor was 50-50. Molitor was a hired punching bag. Carson Jones was supposed to be cannon fodder for Brook aswell but he made a right meal out of it. His last fight was also against a complete unknown, who was only marginally credible because he had a decent KO ratio against complete nobodies.
 
MMA is growing but it is still a long way behind Boxing. UFC come to the UK like once a year and they can't even sell out that 1 event whereas Boxing sells out arenas every week with less impressive cards and the same goes for the rest of Europe and South America except Brazil.
 
ono said:
With respect I don't think you can say Frampton vs Molitor was 50-50. Molitor was a hired punching bag. Carson Jones was supposed to be cannon fodder for Brook aswell but he made a right meal out of it. His last fight was also against a complete unknown, who was only marginally credible because he had a decent KO ratio against complete nobodies.
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The Steve Molitor of 3 years ago would have beaten Frampton, Molitor was tailor made and is a shot fighter.
 
leighton said:
shevtheblue said:
Tbf this is the reason ufc is getting the next generation of combat sport fans...they generally have the monopoly in mma of top fighters bar a couple so big fights happen and they happen regularly. Boxing used to be like that.
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True but boxing is now seeing the UFC as a rival now and your seeing more and more high profile fights being made or trying to be made now.

I know with matchroom. Look at the fights the Hearns are making for some of there fighters they are testing them in big time compared to Frank Maloney , Frank Warren and other UK promotors. I look at Frampton , Bellew and Brook and all 3 have been pushed on great by Matchroom. Thats what boxing needs is 50-50 fights.

Also I look at the Super 6 last year that was great for boxing and I can see it happening again. UFC is good but I just dont think it will over take boxing for a long time in my view.
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UFC and MMA has a greater American following and is white collar friendly, but it will never compete with boxing. Firstly it will never be an Olympic sport, secondly it doesn't have the same idiot appeal as boxing, e.g "yeah Tyson is going to kill Lewis"
 
conormcfc said:
Article by Thomas Houser (highly respected boxing journo), claiming that Mayweather has failed 3 of his recent random drugs tests carried out by the USASA, who in turn swept the results under the carpet. Well well well....

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/the-ped-mess-part-one
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Cheers for that Conor, good little read, ' this shit gonna get messy' lol.
 
conormcfc said:
Article by Thomas Houser (highly respected boxing journo), claiming that Mayweather has failed 3 of his recent random drugs tests carried out by the USASA, who in turn swept the results under the carpet. Well well well....

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/the-ped-mess-part-one
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Hauser is a very respected and credible source. He wrote what is considered to be the only definitive and accepted biography of Ali
 
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