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thank fuck for that......was going to back Canelo went with the lay of Golovkin instead......phew
 
Metalartin said:
Pressure alone doesn't win you rounds. Again look at Canelos face, it's mark free GGG's is more puffy infact(look at that left cheek ffs)... against the biggest puncher and you're telling me he is 4 rounds up? Rubbish sorry GGG fans.

I agree Canelo up by 8 rounds is bullshit though, don't get how they scored it that way.

In short a draw is not that far fetched, GGG took the middle of the fight start and end was Canelo's.
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You don't score a fight based on puffiness of a fighters face haha.
 
01cravend said:
You don't score a fight based on puffiness of a fighters face haha.
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No but it's quite telling who had more success, again look at how many of GGG's shots were actually landing, it was just pressure without landing in some of those rounds as I said I don't score rounds that way... I appreciate good defence. Those last rounds are key to the difference in the way people were scoring it... I can't give any rounds to GGG from the 10th onwards because Canelo landed what he wanted to and GGG wasted the majority of his shots.

I can see why some would say GGG pinched it, it was close in truth but I can't see GGG 4 rounds up at all.
 
I can kind of see a draw as a fair result. The fight never got going and hopefully we'll have a rematch. But fuck me that judge needs to be fired. Apparently she has history of being dodgy judging MMA as well.
 
Metalartin said:
No but it's quite telling who had more success, again look at how many of GGG's shots were actually landing, it was just pressure without landing in some of those rounds as I said I don't score rounds that way... I appreciate good defence. Those last rounds are key to the difference in the way people were scoring it... I can't give any rounds to GGG from the 10th onwards because Canelo landed what he wanted to and GGG wasted the majority of his shots.
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Punches landed: GGG - 218 Canelo - 169 #GGGCanelo

GGG won that fight. Look at canelos eyes during the last rounds he knew he had lost.
 
Metalartin said:
Compubox? Flawed and everyone knows it... most of those shots were rolled and taken on the gloves(not much clean from GGG he was busier and that's how people are scoring it)with Canelos movement, also power punches vs jabs... which count more?

The difference isn't actually that great anyway(especially as they are probably nothing jabs taken on the gloves or partial) not enough to say 4 rounds(bullshit watch it with no sound boxnation were pants at scoring that) which is my point... a lot closer than GGG bumboys are making out. You can say GGG maybe pinched it but that was anything but a shutout, that's more shite than the judge having Canelo up by 8.
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So I take it you pay no attention what so ever to ring generalship? I'm sorry, I just fail to understand how lying on the ropes wins you a fight. Yeah canelo landed the nicer big punches but he still wasn't winning them rounds, it's three minute rounds and GGG's jab was landing at will after the first few rounds.
 
Metalartin said:
So I take you are new to boxing and can't tell when a fighter is rolling punches meaning there's no power on it(Canelo was purposely dropping his hands... he was very comfortable despite that pressure for most of it)... I'll say it again he was making him miss and not much was geting through clean... you're giving him rounds for pressure alone when he's not really landing much because why? Canelo's making him miss... it's part of boxing and you have the gall to preach to me about ringmanship when you don't even understand that?
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I understand it, you make it out like he missed every shot when he clearly did not so there's no point really having this discussion further. Agree to disagree mate it's too late to argue have to sleep and be up for work :)
 
Armaan said:
I understand it, you make it out like he missed every shot when he clearly did not so there's no point really having this discussion further. Agree to disagree mate it's too late to argue have to sleep and be up for work :)
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He missed a shitload though and you did say landing at will... sorry but I had to call you out on that because that's laughable... the middle rounds he had success I agree on that(landing at will is stretching it though) but first 3-4 and the last 3 where nothing like you say.

Yeah we can agree to disagree, I think I've been clear on how I score rounds and I understand other people score differently but I think people are overreacting at the draw big time. That judges card for Canelo aside(that is a head scratcher) nobody walked away with that by a long shot. :)

I'll watch it again anyway as I normally do, maybe I will see it differently but I doubt it, I even muted the commentary diliberately in parts.
 
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Metalartin said:
No but it's quite telling who had more success, again look at how many of GGG's shots were actually landing, it was just pressure without landing in some of those rounds as I said I don't score rounds that way... I appreciate good defence. Those last rounds are key to the difference in the way people were scoring it... I can't give any rounds to GGG from the 10th onwards because Canelo landed what he wanted to and GGG wasted the majority of his shots.

I can see why some would say GGG pinched it, it was close in truth but I can't see GGG 4 rounds up at all.
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KFA
 
Metalartin said:
He missed a shitload though and you did say landing at will... sorry but I had to call you out on that because that's laughable... the middle rounds he had success I agree on that(landing at will is stretching it though) but first 3-4 and the last 3 where nothing like you say.

Yeah we can agree to disagree, I think I've been clear on how I score rounds and I understand other people score differently but I think people are overreacting at the draw big time. That judges card for Canelo aside(that is a head scratcher) nobody walked away with that by a long shot. :)

I'll watch it again anyway as I normally do, maybe I will see it differently but I doubt it, I even muted the commentary diliberately in parts.
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How can you put that 'aside'. That was the difference between correct outcome and daylight robbery.
 
The only robbery was the judge giving Canelo 118, the draw might have been slightly harsh on GGG but no great injustice like some are making out.
 
I have no complaints about the draw. I had Canelo winning 3 of the first 4 rounds and the last 3 rounds, with GGG bossing the middle stages.

However, Byrd needs sectioning after that 118-110 card. Or at sacked at a minimum. That's a joke.

Thought it was a great fight - thought Canelo's defence was very good in the face of GGG's relentless pressure, but I think a lot of GGG's work was also nullified and not connecting flush, which is why I don't always compare to the likes of Compubox. Canelo was landing the more eye-catching shots all night. His chin also impressed me as GGG still caught him a few times.

GGGs face was more of a mess at the end, but I think its his granite chin that helps him more than his power as he just walks through shots. It's incredible.

Very happy to see a rematch, which I feel Canelo will win as it'll be another year down the line and he'll be aware of how he slipped in the mid-stages of the fight.
 
Good fight overall but the main action wasn't sustained enough for long enough periods for it to go down as a classic. Two top level fighters with utmost respect for each other's firepower I suspect played a major factor in the action never quite exploding.

Canelo definitely landed the cleaner single shots that you remember, but spent far too much time obviously on the retreat for him to ever look like he was in control of the fight. Likewise Golovkin was purely forward momentum all night long without ever quite being able to detonate his heaviest artillery on a defensive minded target with good lateral movement and clever movement on the ropes. If you're looking for a factor to separate the two of them across the whole fight then it has to be GGG's jab, same with his last fight with Jacobs. His power shots were fleeting in success but his jab landed consistently throughout the fight and for me that helped him to just about keep his nose in front for the majority of the fight.

I gave Canelo 2 of the first 3 and the last 2, so overall 116-112 for Canelo, though that's not necessarily a cast-iron scorecard and I can definitely appreciate that Canelo's counters will have impressed a lot of people. IN the middle portion of the fight though, through 4-10 he pretty much gave the initiative to GGG by being so obviously on the retreat and languishing on the ropes too much. Though GGG wasn't able to blast through Canelo in those moments he still had command of the fight with the jab and threw enough meaningful leather and was able to back Canelo into the corners and keep him honest.

Good fight but not quite the blockbuster I think most expected. No massive arguments with a draw.
 
Another sad blow for boxing in North american. No wonder the good heavyweight fights have all been in Europe will the absurd decisions you get there and gifts for the home fighters.

Adalaide Byrd does a Eugenia Williams.
 
foxbox123 said:
Closest I scored it was 8-4 GGG.
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GGG clearly won, can't see a case for Canelo at all. You can't win a fight fighting and spurts and for the most part lying on the ropes defending. Look how the media scored it.



Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ----> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Boxing Clever (Seen) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 Canelo


Seems like the vast amount of people agree with the GGG win.
 
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