Don’t agree about Joshua . He is the biggest hype job in years and got beat up by Ruiz jnr .the problem is the British public bought into Joshua and so did the non fight fans but the boxing fraternity saw through Joshua. The best British heavyweight out there is Daniel Dubois who would smash Joshua and possibly fury. As for fury I’m not convinced we will see him fight next year let alone feb and I do believe wilder will knock him out this time
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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Don’t agree about Joshua . He is the biggest hype job in years and got beat up by Ruiz jnr .the problem is the British public bought into Joshua and so did the non fight fans but the boxing fraternity saw through Joshua. The best British heavyweight out there is Daniel Dubois who would smash Joshua and possibly fury. As for fury I’m not convinced we will see him fight next year let alone feb and I do believe wilder will knock him out this time
Nothing to do with ‘hype job’, and what constitutes ‘boxing fraternity’?? You boxed a lot of rounds yourself? This undoubtedly makes you an expert, right?
Well I’m pretty close to a good few fighters, past and present and the consensus wasn’t/isn’t he is a hype job, the problem is experience, he was fast tracked.
Anyone who has an iota of knowledge on boxing can ascertain where his shortcomings stem from, so don’t preach it’s some kind of secret sect of people ffs.... Ruiz has been boxing since he was 15, has hundreds of rounds of pedigree and is a tough fucker, downplaying his success means one thing in my eyes...
And Dubois has a wider defence than the autobahn, his footwork is also suspect. He can improve, undoubtedly, however, don’t make me laugh!
Bloody he’ll im taking to Freddy roach ha . So what your saying is because I don’t know any boxers and haven’t boxed my opinion is shit . You have your opinion and I have mine so let’s leave it at thatNothing to do with ‘hype job’, and what constitutes ‘boxing fraternity’?? You boxed a lot of rounds yourself? This undoubtedly makes you an expert, right?
Well I’m pretty close to a good few fighters, past and present and the consensus wasn’t/isn’t he is a hype job, the problem is experience, he was fast tracked.
Anyone who has an iota of knowledge on boxing can ascertain where his shortcomings stem from, so don’t preach it’s some kind of secret sect of people ffs.... Ruiz has been boxing since he was 15, has hundreds of rounds of pedigree and is a tough fucker, downplaying his success means one thing in my eyes...
And Dubois has a wider defence than the autobahn, his footwork is also suspect. He can improve, undoubtedly, however, don’t make me laugh!
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Bloody he’ll im taking to Freddy roach ha . So what your saying is because I don’t know any boxers and haven’t boxed my opinion is shit . You have your opinion and I have mine so let’s leave it at that
I change my mind, you were a boxer and thus punch drunk..
Read before you post next time, clubber.... here’s a clue ‘boxing fraternity’
Indeed you are entitled to your opinion, champ, hence my response was to you asserting you were one of the experts..
Now let’s not make this a cliche and think you have one good round left in you, we’ll call it a TKO!
Smith looking shaky might speed up the chance of Canelo giving him a go. I'm not convinced Golden Boy would ever set the match up if they had any reason to believe Smith could fairly win.
Then again Smith will probably batter whoever he's in with next and it'll go back to being a pipedream.
Then again Smith will probably batter whoever he's in with next and it'll go back to being a pipedream.
jay_mcfc
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Too many people have been too quick to jump on AJ after that defeat based on how it ended. Truth is AJ was in full control, knocked him down but then got caught with a cracking punch right on the temple when Joshua had his guard down going in for the kill. That one punch changed everything and after that it was a convincing win. AJ can outbox Ruiz and he can knock him out but we’ll only know if he can win after he’s taken a few clean shots. Ruiz will be looking for that same shot all night so it will be interesting to see how it goes.Nothing to do with ‘hype job’, and what constitutes ‘boxing fraternity’?? You boxed a lot of rounds yourself? This undoubtedly makes you an expert, right?
Well I’m pretty close to a good few fighters, past and present and the consensus wasn’t/isn’t he is a hype job, the problem is experience, he was fast tracked.
Anyone who has an iota of knowledge on boxing can ascertain where his shortcomings stem from, so don’t preach it’s some kind of secret sect of people ffs.... Ruiz has been boxing since he was 15, has hundreds of rounds of pedigree and is a tough fucker, downplaying his success means one thing in my eyes...
And Dubois has a wider defence than the autobahn, his footwork is also suspect. He can improve, undoubtedly, however, don’t make me laugh!
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Ha ha silly manI change my mind, you were a boxer and thus punch drunk..
Read before you post next time, clubber.... here’s a clue ‘boxing fraternity’
Indeed you are entitled to your opinion, champ, hence my response was to you asserting you were one of the experts..
Now let’s not make this a cliche and think you have one good round left in you, we’ll call it a TKO!
Adidas Sharston
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Just got round to watching Smith v Ryder. I like Callum but that was a shocking decision. Respect to John Ryder clear winner for me.
Tony Harrison v Jermell Charlo go again Dec 21st. Close fight first time round but glad TH got the win. Hes clearly got under JCs skin again in the press conference.
Tony Harrison v Jermell Charlo go again Dec 21st. Close fight first time round but glad TH got the win. Hes clearly got under JCs skin again in the press conference.
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As far as training goes Ruiz Jr has been boxing since 5 apparently, Joshua since 18.Nothing to do with ‘hype job’, and what constitutes ‘boxing fraternity’?? You boxed a lot of rounds yourself? This undoubtedly makes you an expert, right?
Well I’m pretty close to a good few fighters, past and present and the consensus wasn’t/isn’t he is a hype job, the problem is experience, he was fast tracked.
Anyone who has an iota of knowledge on boxing can ascertain where his shortcomings stem from, so don’t preach it’s some kind of secret sect of people ffs.... Ruiz has been boxing since he was 15, has hundreds of rounds of pedigree and is a tough fucker, downplaying his success means one thing in my eyes...
And Dubois has a wider defence than the autobahn, his footwork is also suspect. He can improve, undoubtedly, however, don’t make me laugh!
A lot was made by some that Ruiz didn't have as long a training camp but as Roach pointed out, Ruiz had fought recently which is an advantage to him. He had less time to get out of shape as a result. Joshua is always in shape, his training camps are about preparation and gameplans. Between the two fighters AJ missed a full training camp more. Which means the right sparring and the right training, since he is learning on the job. Miller is nothing at all like Ruiz Jr in stature or style. So most of that prep had to be scrapped. Povetkin is probably the closest stylistically and height wise that AJ had fought before Ruiz Jr and he struggled to adjust in that fight. I personally think that's what people were picking up on during the ring walk and when he got in the ring, he may not have felt he had prepared enough and was fearing a tough night when the pressure was for a spectacular win.
I don't really know how the second fight will go, it all depends on how the last fight has affected Joshua. Ruiz Jr will be harder to beat this time around. He will have learned from the first fight and will be more confident in himself but he can be put down by AJ, we already know that much.
How anyone can go on about hypejobs and then side with Wilder("proper boxer"), as some on this thread have I don't know but it does explain the AJ hate. Who apparently fluked all his wins against many more top ranked opponents until the Ruiz loss. Why Ortiz didn't go for the body from round one in this weekends fight I don't know, Wilder is nothing without his right hand power(I predicted the result for that reason alone). A boxing sharp and in shape Fury should beat Wilder comfortably for me, may even stop him.
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leighton
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I got to say Andy Lee on Sky was great for the Mundo fight his scorecard was spot on at times and refreshing to hear a more modern old pro with knowledge giving his views on the fight. Its refreshing to see him on. Also he is now training a few guys over here in Ireland.
As for the fight thought Callum won the fight it was close by a round. I just think Ryder needed to KO Callum or knock him down to get the decision. Good competitive fight between them 2 wouldnt mind seeing that again.
Santa Cruz a 4 weight World Champion that guy is like Canello well managed avoids the big hitters. How him and Frampton hasnt had the 3rd fight i just dont understand that 1 after promising the 3rd fight too.
Wilder what can you say out boxed for all of the fight. Then he throws the bomb. What a shot it was. That power is the real reason hes champion. I want him and Fury to fight and get it on. I think this time round Wilder KOs Fury. His power and chin might be the reason why he could unify the division for me if they were all to fight each other. I know it is highly unlikely that will ever happen.
As for the fight thought Callum won the fight it was close by a round. I just think Ryder needed to KO Callum or knock him down to get the decision. Good competitive fight between them 2 wouldnt mind seeing that again.
Santa Cruz a 4 weight World Champion that guy is like Canello well managed avoids the big hitters. How him and Frampton hasnt had the 3rd fight i just dont understand that 1 after promising the 3rd fight too.
Wilder what can you say out boxed for all of the fight. Then he throws the bomb. What a shot it was. That power is the real reason hes champion. I want him and Fury to fight and get it on. I think this time round Wilder KOs Fury. His power and chin might be the reason why he could unify the division for me if they were all to fight each other. I know it is highly unlikely that will ever happen.
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Pleased for Frampton worked the body well. Chisora v Usyk is an interesting match up if it happens in Feb.
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Wilder is without a doubt the most dangerous fighter at the moment, Not the best boxer far from it but 36 minutes and 12 rounds in the ring - lose concentration for a couple of seconds and it's goodnight, He's got crazy power....Fury outboxed him all night but one punch and it was a miracle he somehow got up
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Think it’s 9pmHas anyone got the likely ring walk time for Joshua on Saturday? There’s a certain match on first.
peoffrey
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Think it’s 9pm
Thanks. Celebratory drink and then to find a pub showing the fight.
Wilder has no boxing skill but he is unpredictable and could well end up being the most untalented boxer to unify the division . I don’t like heavyweights truth be told and this current crop are very poor compared to the division over the years. Don’t know what to make of Tyson fury at the moment because I have a feeling we will never see him fight again but I really hope he fights wilder and gets the win but I do think wilder will knock him out sooner this time .I got to say Andy Lee on Sky was great for the Mundo fight his scorecard was spot on at times and refreshing to hear a more modern old pro with knowledge giving his views on the fight. Its refreshing to see him on. Also he is now training a few guys over here in Ireland.
As for the fight thought Callum won the fight it was close by a round. I just think Ryder needed to KO Callum or knock him down to get the decision. Good competitive fight between them 2 wouldnt mind seeing that again.
Santa Cruz a 4 weight World Champion that guy is like Canello well managed avoids the big hitters. How him and Frampton hasnt had the 3rd fight i just dont understand that 1 after promising the 3rd fight too.
Wilder what can you say out boxed for all of the fight. Then he throws the bomb. What a shot it was. That power is the real reason hes champion. I want him and Fury to fight and get it on. I think this time round Wilder KOs Fury. His power and chin might be the reason why he could unify the division for me if they were all to fight each other. I know it is highly unlikely that will ever happen.
Skip Donoghue
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Wilder is a very limited boxer as most already know, him sparing here with David Haye highlights those limitations, his footwork is terrible to say the least in this video and it hasn't improved much since, Fury for me deals with Wilder quite easily next time round, but as many have said I'm not sure the fight will ever happen
AJ v Ruiz 2 is a tough one to call for me, if AJ hasn't learnt anything from the last fight which I find unlikely the result will be the same, apparently 89% of rematches end with the same result as the 1st time round, which I was told today
A positive that seems to be coming out of AJs camp for me is the sheading of the muscular physique to a degree, which means he should be more durable and less likely to gas, (I thought he gassed in the last fight) it will also point to him going to box behind his jab and look to win on points, if this is the case and he can keep Ruiz at distance AJ wins for me
jay_mcfc
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Wilder is a very limited boxer as most already know, him sparing here with David Haye highlights those limitations, his footwork is terrible to say the least in this video and it hasn't improved much since, Fury for me deals with Wilder quite easily next time round, but as many have said I'm not sure the fight will ever happen
AJ v Ruiz 2 is a tough one to call for me, if AJ hasn't learnt anything from the last fight which I find unlikely the result will be the same, apparently 89% of rematches end with the same result as the 1st time round, which I was told today
A positive that seems to be coming out of AJs camp for me is the sheading of the muscular physique to a degree, which means he should be more durable and less likely to gas, (I thought he gassed in the last fight) it will also point to him going to box behind his jab and look to win on points, if this is the case and he can keep Ruiz at distance AJ wins for me
Haye was a fucking monster! Hope he’s not just remembered for getting twatted off Bellew.
Agree with what you say about AJ. Watched the fight back the other day and he’s doing fine until he goes in for the kill and totally lost his shape. He won’t make that mistake again as he said on the gloves are off. I expect a very sensible and mature performance like the Parker fight.