The Boxing thread

I seen Tyson Fury boxing on a undercard in Dublin many years ago and to see him go from there to the champion of the world really says it all about heavyweight boxing. This crop of fighters are shocking. Fury v Wilder will be 1 of 2 fights boring with Tyson winning on points. Or Wilder drops a few bombs on him and KOs him. This divison is so poor. Even the card is poor for a PPV fight. I want to see Usyk getting tested see how he gets on. Him v AJ will be a brilliant fight to see. I would fancy Usyk to get the win over AJ if he can take the shots. I be more interested in the fights on Friday on Sky with the Golden Contract and see who gets into the final has been nice to see those fights. Mainly competitive.
 
Charles Martin has somehow made the undercard on Saturday night. Decent scrap against Kowancki that he lost couple of years ago, think hes won a couple since. Really looking fwd to the main event, hope Fury can cut the distance & smother Wilders work. 36 mins is a long time to stay switched on.
 
Adidas Sharston said:
Charles Martin has somehow made the undercard on Saturday night. Decent scrap against Kowancki that he lost couple of years ago, think hes won a couple since. Really looking fwd to the main event, hope Fury can cut the distance & smother Wilders work. 36 mins is a long time to stay switched on.
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Its actually not a bad scrap too, Washington only lost to Wilder, Kownacki and Miller too. A decent B level heavyweight. The undercard on the whole is piss poor and for £25 i wont bother.
 
This fight is is the closest to a 50-50 that I can ever remember. Can't see it lasting 12 rounds and contrary to most I actually think Fury hurt Wilder last time round and can knock him out on Saturday with a more aggressive game plan. Since I don't think it will go 12 I have to make Wilder a slight fave but at the same time 5/1 for a Fury ko is where I'd go if I was having a bet.

Tris Dixon and Adam Booth have done a quality preview on Youtube/podcast. Tris is the man!
 
tyson vs wilder part 2

tyson has to finish him inside 2 rounds or wilder wins ? wilder with the power of the punch and better ring time then tyson so wilder will catch tyson and over he will go and this time no coming back

boxing is a sport that you need ring time and good quality fights in the bank (ring craft) tyson 2 years away from boxing and putting on so much fat is why i think wilder is a better boxer right now

you can train to lose weight and diets ? but you lose time for proper boxing training and because your burnt out with losing the flab boxing has to take a back stage ?? in the first fight tyson was a lucky boy and never ready for a fight in that level of a world title fight, and wilder was sucked in with the myth and paid tyson to much respect ? but this time if tyson has not done his work and had to lose more flab before training proper then it will be a quick fight and he's going over

i will say that its a punchers weight at heavy and you can get lucky and win so tyson best chance will be in the first 2 rounds after that all the money is on wilder
 
mexico1970 said:
He was robbed of the win last time, he'll do a Bugner and tie this fella down and hopefully get the win he should have had last time. I have heard the undercard isn't up to much.
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it was a close fight the last time tyson using the ring and moving in and out and holding and wilder was in 2 minds how to fight him and tyson got to him in the build up, yes i think tyson just did enough to win the fight but the knockdown saved wilder and nobody could have moaned really

but this fight tyson has to knockout or stop him (wilder) in the first 2 rounds or its over for tyson, wilder would have learned his lesson and this time will be ready for him and stop all the silly mistakes from last time, wilder got the bigger punch and tyson can not take to many on the chin, but tyson can punch from anywhere and comes from all sorts of angles and off the left or right and you have to be ready in defence or you get tagged
 
mexico1970 said:
He was robbed of the win last time, he'll do a Bugner and tie this fella down and hopefully get the win he should have had last time. I have heard the undercard isn't up to much.
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I rewatched the first fight this afternoon and it’s a lot closer than most said. I watched it with the commentary off and could easily see why 1,3 & 4 could have been given to Wilder.
 
ancoats said:
tyson vs wilder part 2

tyson has to finish him inside 2 rounds or wilder wins ? wilder with the power of the punch and better ring time then tyson so wilder will catch tyson and over he will go and this time no coming back

boxing is a sport that you need ring time and good quality fights in the bank (ring craft) tyson 2 years away from boxing and putting on so much fat is why i think wilder is a better boxer right now

you can train to lose weight and diets ? but you lose time for proper boxing training and because your burnt out with losing the flab boxing has to take a back stage ?? in the first fight tyson was a lucky boy and never ready for a fight in that level of a world title fight, and wilder was sucked in with the myth and paid tyson to much respect ? but this time if tyson has not done his work and had to lose more flab before training proper then it will be a quick fight and he's going over

i will say that its a punchers weight at heavy and you can get lucky and win so tyson best chance will be in the first 2 rounds after that all the money is on wilder
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Can’t see anyway that Tyson knocks out Wilder in two rounds. I think it’ll be more of a chip away kind of ko if that’s how he does it with more time on the front foot than last time and punishing Wilder when he misses. He stunned Wilder 3/4 times with quick 1-2 combinations that hurt Wilder. If he’s a stone heavier and he throws more shots he’ll be in with a shout for a late stoppage I reckon.

Also it was the last fight where he had 2/3 years out of boxing and had a lot of weight to lose. They reckon he’ll be heavier this time and he’s been much more focused on boxing and hitting harder hence the change of trainers.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Can’t see anyway that Tyson knocks out Wilder in two rounds. I think it’ll be more of a chip away kind of ko if that’s how he does it with more time on the front foot than last time and punishing Wilder when he misses. He stunned Wilder 3/4 times with quick 1-2 combinations that hurt Wilder. If he’s a stone heavier and he throws more shots he’ll be in with a shout for a late stoppage I reckon.

Also it was the last fight where he had 2/3 years out of boxing and had a lot of weight to lose. They reckon he’ll be heavier this time and he’s been much more focused on boxing and hitting harder hence the change of trainers.
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Not sure being heavier helps Tyson. Heavier usually means slower and more likely to tire as the fight goes on. I think Wilder wins this comfortably.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Can’t see anyway that Tyson knocks out Wilder in two rounds. I think it’ll be more of a chip away kind of ko if that’s how he does it with more time on the front foot than last time and punishing Wilder when he misses. He stunned Wilder 3/4 times with quick 1-2 combinations that hurt Wilder. If he’s a stone heavier and he throws more shots he’ll be in with a shout for a late stoppage I reckon.

Also it was the last fight where he had 2/3 years out of boxing and had a lot of weight to lose. They reckon he’ll be heavier this time and he’s been much more focused on boxing and hitting harder hence the change of trainers.
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last time tyson was never in any sort of shape to fight wilder ? no ring time or any proper fights in his come back, and most of his training camp was based on losing some of weight fast and fitness, not much boxing training like long road work with running and stamina, yes sparring and gym work on speed and movement can not worked on but the legs need rounds and stamina

from what i have heard and stuff coming out of the tyson camp ? he is working on getting wilder out early and looking to knock him out ? that's sounds like he's been working on the weights and power, and if that is the case he will defo need to take wilder out early ? its simple tyson just not nothing in ring time over the last 3 years and i thinks its one proper fight of sorts before his wilder fight

since then he boxed to order for the EPSN/top rank and a WWE rumble and change trainers so its get him out early or you lose
 
ancoats said:
last time tyson was never in any sort of shape to fight wilder ? no ring time or any proper fights in his come back, and most of his training camp was based on losing some of weight fast and fitness, not much boxing training like long road work with running and stamina, yes sparring and gym work on speed and movement can not worked on but the legs need rounds and stamina

from what i have heard and stuff coming out of the tyson camp ? he is working on getting wilder out early and looking to knock him out ? that's sounds like he's been working on the weights and power, and if that is the case he will defo need to take wilder out early ? its simple tyson just not nothing in ring time over the last 3 years and i thinks its one proper fight of sorts before his wilder fight

since then he boxed to order for the EPSN/top rank and a WWE rumble and change trainers so its get him out early or you lose
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Tyson is the master of mind games. Yeah he’s put weight on and moved to a more aggressive trainer but he’ll still predominantly box on the counter. If he goes in with the mindset of knocking out Wilder in 2 rounds he’ll be in big trouble.

Edit: the other interesting part of this fight is the cut Tyson suffered in his last fight and maybe that will make him more aggressive. Also rumors, as always, he was knocked out whilst sparring in camp.

I have no idea. Complete coin toss on who wins I just don’t think it’s going 12 and I think Tyson hits way harder than most give him credit for.
 
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Gaudion M said:
Not sure being heavier helps Tyson. Heavier usually means slower and more likely to tire as the fight goes on. I think Wilder wins this comfortably.
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I can’t remember the exact number he fought at in the first fight but he will be a stone heavier than his last fight in the summer. Word from his last camp was that he felt drained from constant dieting and had no energy in the fight. Could be one of the reasons he left Ben along with the negative style.
 
I'm not sure I like Tyson's new game plan and I think there may be something to the rumours that training camp didn't go well(did he ever take he sunglasses off the other day?). However there could be a lot of mind games from Fury's side. So a lot of this depends on Fury for me.

I didn't give Wilder any rounds outside of the ones he scored knockdowns in. Technically you could argue with that too if you lose the whole of a round, you've lost a point(9-10), if you score a knockdown, that is only supposed to be worth 1 point but it seems it ends up 10-8 regardless with most judges.

Outside of his best weapon Wilder doesn't offer much else worth shouting about for me. He's got a decent jab but it's not an elite jab, both AJ and Fury have better jabs, many of the top 10 do infact. Wilder also doesn't get involved in dogfights as has been said by many in the build-up, he puts his guard up and it's a leaky guard at that, until he can put some space between his self and his opponent. The one thing Fury has to watch out for in close quarters is the illegal shots that Wilder always gets away with. They are not simple taps like typically seen in the clinch, they are full blown hooks winged in(Ortiz even talked about it as criminal), Ruiz Jr has a similar penchant towards that. They have been illegal in the rules of boxing and MMA for a long time for a reason but it's rarely enforced by US referees.

I don't see a clean KO coming from Fury, but this is a 6ft7-8 man weighing over 18 stone, he can definitely hurt Wilder and force a stoppage. The puzzle is getting past the danger zone, to put him on the back foot. Knowing when to hold your feet and when not to hold your feet. To be fair that is easier said than done and why many opponents(40 of which were nowhere near elite) have walked onto that shot, an elite fighter shouldn't though. Ortiz made basic mistakes that an elite fighter shouldn't in first fight and showed he didn't learn in the second fight. He didn't pace himself despite Wilder not being a pressure fighter, he stopped moving his head as the fight went on, he lost concentration as the fight went on and missed the telegraphed punch he was looking for all night.

Fury did tire in the last fight, there should be less of that this time around having factor late on. Still, if Tyson gets overconfident and sloppy again it could be over. It should be interesting, hope Fury smashes him all over.
 
Tyson family must be coming over well on the ITV program, missus asking what time fight on Saturday, said half four and she said give me a call.
Few of the lads said similar about their other halves.
He's a showman alright and good luck to him
 
I do wonder how much as been spent in promoting this fight, it's been everywhere for a good few weeks now. They are going to have to do some good numbers, after all that.
 
jay_mcfc said:
I rewatched the first fight this afternoon and it’s a lot closer than most said. I watched it with the commentary off and could easily see why 1,3 & 4 could have been given to Wilder.
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When you think about it you have 12 rounds which go 10-9 or 10-8 with a knockdown . Wilder knocked fury down twice so that’s 2 10-8 rounds which is in theory 4 rounds to wilder so all he has to do is get 2 rounds which are very very close and they go to wilder and that’s 6 rounds and the draw . So I can see why It could be given as a draw . As for the fight I think if Tyson fury does what he says he is going to do then it won’t last 5 rounds but if he does his usual then he has a chance . I do think wilder has more hunger for this fight than fury though .
 
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