The British Monarchy

Sorry that the Queen has died, she has been extraordinary. Not sure about Charles though will give him a chance. Not happy with Andrew’s appearance. I would have welcomed some hiving off of the hangers on at this opportunity in these very different times to when I was born. Always upheld the family but my loyalty is definitely waining now
 
philiph20 said:
But you can guarantee our Prime Ministers or at least some of them with their ego's and messiah complexes would love to be something akin to an American president. The Irish presidents and Toaiseach's in my lifetime with the possible exception of Charles Haughey seem to be a bit less ego driven and from the outside looking in far more bearable.
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Loads to debate in there.
Charlie was a special kind but not a one off.
He came from a party of ego starting with De Valera.

Like I said. It was just a point of clarification. At the end of the day it is up to the British people to decide. I suppose some are suggesting in here that they currently have no say. That’s your business.
Taoiseach and Uachtaran are two very different roles. Uachtaran has evolved into a dignified a-political statesmanlike role that has been carried out very dutifully and eloquently over the past three occupiers of the Aras an Uachtaran.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Secondly, do you think it’s fair footballers on 200k a week can have massive mansions and their sons and daughters won’t need to work a day in their life? Same for Music stars and actors etc
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It isn't given to them by the taxpayer.
They have a rare talent and it has big rewards.
They actually pay the government in taxes.
The Royal's get free money from you the taxpayer and you have no say in that.
 
Bill Walker said:
It isn't given to them by the taxpayer.
They have a rare talent and it has big rewards.
They actually pay the government in taxes.
The Royal's get free money from you the taxpayer and you have no say in that.
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Bill are you more upset that Charles is head of state of Australia or would it suffice if Australia opted out.

I’m not saying I disagree with any of your arguments but it really seems to rile you, whereas in my shoes I can sort of figure, well I wouldn’t go for it, but if it’s what you want, knock yourselves out.

Now when it comes to unpicking the mess in NI then you may see a rise in my blood pressure, but that’s a different story.
 
domalino said:
So you'd rather we were ruled over by people who werent elected and have simply inherited the right to rule by convincing people it was given to them by god?
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Couldn’t agree more - when you think about it it’s a preposterous concept that belongs back in the day when people believed in dragons and witches. You did forget to mention though that although it was part God it was also down to them murdering, raping, stealing, bullying etc that they were able to create a monarchy. Putinesque behaviour in other words.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
The Queen inherited her right by the god “Odin”, that’s how far back her ancestry goes. I think he was a Norse god!
Yes I’m happy its not the 17th century and we all know they are human but it’s preferable to any other system for me.
The devil I know is preferable to the one I don’t.

In some ways democracy is quite young the rules have evolved and it leaves a gap for people to agitate for change I am happy I won’t change my view on our democracy.
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Democracy is actually a relatively mad concept because do the people really know what they want? Look at how politics has evolved over the last 10 years and that's all in the name of democracy. The folk who slag this government off everyday on here seem to forget that it's their fellow country folk who put them there.

The anger around all of that just proves that nobody wants democracy anyway, they just want their form of democracy and it's just tolerance of opinion that is really falling apart. When tolerance falls apart you end up with some kind of anarchy resulting in lunatics like Trump in charge which is where the US is probably going again.

The only balancer between relatively dodgy people or lunatics getting their way is something above that like the monarchy. In the US they split the presidency, congress and house of representatives for a reason.... It otherwise would only take one crazy president and it all goes to pot and that's why Russia is in the mess it is.

It's an odd one really, you'll find many who are highly in favour of the monarchy and many who want rid of the royal family but you'll always find far more who are fully in favour of burning Parliament down.... That's where we are...
 
I'm really torn on this, but thinking objectively you have to support an elected head of state over an unelected one. Whilst I strongly believe that the Queen did a decent job and a far better one than Boris would have done - and he would have been elected as Head of State. That shouldn't be my measure. We should demand more of our politicians and as long as they've been elected we'd only have ourselves to blame but they'd be in that role through the correct principles and not because they were born to it (although arguably being born to wealth and then attending Eton is a pre-requisite for a lot of Tories). We need proportional representation though, that is critical change.
 
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