The British Monarchy

[Keeper!]

Now time to move on, hate to say it but that are far more important things on the horizon.

The common man is struggling badly and needs serious help.

 

[blueinsa]

Now time to move on, hate to say it but that are far more important things on the horizon.

The common man is struggling badly and needs serious help.

It is indeed time to move on.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Would you like people publicly slagging your mum when she dies. The answer to that question is clearly no. You would want them to pay respect or at the very minimum stay silent, why is that so hard for you and others to do?

Most people's mothers are private citizens. Even if Lizzy Windsor was only known privately, Elizabeth Regina was not.

 

[west didsblue]

Would you like people publicly slagging your mum when she dies. The answer to that question is clearly no. You would want them to pay respect or at the very minimum stay silent, why is that so hard for you and others to do?

Where did he slag off the Queen?

 

[bluemc1]

There you have it.
That’s monarchy for you. Next in line as head of state is pre-ordained, if something happens out of the ordinary ( that the system running the show doesn’t like or agree with perhaps), you have a limited pool to pull from.

Here in The Republic, I’m second in line for the position of head of state. In fairness, so is any other citizen over 30 years of age that has an inclination to throw their hat in the ring.

So in theory I could be the next Uachtaran na hEireann.

A little respect if you please.

Watched something last night about what happens if a child is named king or queen. In our case say something happened to Charles and William, then Williams oldest son would be king but the next in line to the throne who is of age ( over 18 ) would be by his side guiding and teaching and basically ruling until Williams son was 18.

This would be Harry which i thought would be quite interesting

 

[BrianW]

All this lineage, is a twist of fate anyway. The Queen was only the Queen because Edward abdicated. Otherwise she would have been a bit player.
I saw a programme a few years ago that trace a different lineage, if something that happened (can't remember what) hadn't happened. They managed to trace the woman that now would have been Queen. She was an oz living in the Bush, she was something like a sheep farmer.

This was the senior descendant of Edward IV's brother, George, Duke of Clarence. She is the Yorkist heir on the basis that Edward IV's children were illegitimate.

However, bear in mind the present King is only king by statute. There is any number of people with a superior hereditary claim—those who descend from James II. They were excluded by virtue of their being Catholic.

The monarchy we have is not strictly hereditary, therefore, but a creation of statute, in the same way that Lancashire County Council is. Therefore, in law 'superior' hereditary claims are irrelevant. Of course, if you are a 'legitimist' you don't accept Parliament has that power - but it has generally been recognised that it does since the 16th Century.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Where did he slag off the Queen?

He didn't, but some people have.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Most people's mothers are private citizens. Even if Lizzy Windsor was only known privately, Elizabeth Regina was not.

I don't really see the difference?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

This was the senior descendant of Edward IV's brother, George, Duke of Clarence. She is the Yorkist heir on the basis that Edward IV's children were illegitimate.

However, bear in mind the present King is only king by statute. There is any number of people with a superior hereditary claim—those who descend from James II. They were excluded by virtue of their being Catholic.

The monarchy we have is not strictly hereditary, therefore, but a creation of statute, in the same way that Lancashire County Council is. Therefore, in law 'superior' hereditary claims are irrelevant. Of course, if you are a 'legitimist' you don't accept Parliament has that power - but it has generally been recognised that it does since the 16th Century.

Fuck the county council, Lancashire has been the anointed one among the counties. That is until some 'fonctionnaire' came along and nicked some of the good bits- Manchester, Bury, Jeez I nearly typed Bolton then, Rochdale and, of course Barrow!

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

How deep is your connection with Charles?

Asking for future reference.

I don't particularly have a deep connection with Charles, I do think the monarchy is a good thing and also respect others who hold it in greater reverence than myself.

Can I ask what is your deep connection with 11 football players who pull on a blue shirt ? Are you related to any of them, do you know any of them personally? You can see where this is going cant you, some things we do or hold in high esteem as people are illogical?

 

[Grassland Blue]

They have little or no power in our democratic system more is the pity. There are currently no checks and balances when you get a venal individual voted in by their venal party. I would have trusted the queen to do what was right for the country over every prime minister of the last 50 odd years. Too much power rests with one party in this country.
First past the post needs ditched asap.

What system would you replace it with?
P.R.?
This is the nation which voted for brexit after all.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I don't really see the difference?

If you live your life in the public eye you invite public criticism as well as public praise (even if that public role is done as a bland opinion free persona).

I don't think many people admire the celebrating chippy owner or celtic fans, but you have to take the rough with the smooth.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If you live your life in the public eye you invite public criticism as well as public praise (even if that public role is done as a bland opinion free persona).

I don't think many people admire the celebrating chippy owner or celtic fans, but you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So things like the Celtic fans banner and chants are the rough and that's acceptable to you?

 

[hilts]

There you have it.
That’s monarchy for you. Next in line as head of state is pre-ordained, if something happens out of the ordinary ( that the system running the show doesn’t like or agree with perhaps), you have a limited pool to pull from.

Here in The Republic, I’m second in line for the position of head of state. In fairness, so is any other citizen over 30 years of age that has an inclination to throw their hat in the ring.

So in theory I could be the next Uachtaran na hEireann.

A little respect if you please.

You have as much of a realistic chance of being head of state as I do being the king of England ie none.

 

[oldius]

I don't know 11 blokes who kick a ball arround in East Manchester every two weeks, but I have a very strong afinity to them. I also cried when another bloke I don't know scored a goal on 93.20. Never met the chap, bizarre isn't it. ?

I feel the same. Why? Because I was raised in the shadow of Maine Road. Because I love the spectacle of the game. Because my earliest heroes were Doyle and Tueart and Barnes. Because I walked down Claremont Road with my grandad and a sea of blue. What is the difference? The players and my team produce something - spectacle, entertainment, rivalry, tribalism, heroism and an affinity with my ancestors, all of whom were blue. I mean no disrespect to the Queen but I simply do not know what she did.

 

[oldius]

Would you like people publicly slagging your mum when she dies. The answer to that question is clearly no. You would want them to pay respect or at the very minimum stay silent, why is that so hard for you and others to do?

I have not heard anyone directly criticise the Queen. She is also only the mother of four children, not an entire nation.

 

[bluemoon32]

What system would you replace it with?
P.R.?
This is the nation which voted for brexit after all.

For starters we could fuck off the house of lords, what a ridiculous concept that is

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So things like the Celtic fans banner and chants are the rough and that's acceptable to you?

Tolerable not acceptable. We live in a democracy.


Off with their heads?

 

[BrianW]

Manchester City are a choice. I can walk away any time and never give them another penny.

But is true that human beings are not rational but are often - too often - driven by emotion. This is precisely how we got Brexit. It's also how certain deeply unpleasant regimes rose to power in the past - I think they called it The Triumph of The Will.

Emotion in public life is not a good thing. It is a tool the ruling class uses to manipulate the suckers - us. Government should (ideally) be based on what is rational and logical. Emotion butters no bread, sells no exports, fails to deliver justice, etc., etc. In short, a good government would be less about flag-waving and more about the delivery of quality public services, effective law and order, and the securing of advantageous treaties and trading arrangements. (As opposed to destroying them for irrational reasons.)

 

[SWP's back]

That 1/3rd are a noisy bunch.