So things like the Celtic fans banner and chants are the rough and that's acceptable to you?
Manchester City are a choice. I can walk away any time and never give them another penny.
But is true that human beings are not rational but are often - too often - driven by emotion. This is precisely how we got Brexit. It's also how certain deeply unpleasant regimes rose to power in the past - I think they called it The Triumph of The Will.
Emotion in public life is not a good thing. It is a tool the ruling class uses to manipulate the suckers - us. Government should (ideally) be based on what is rational and logical. Emotion butters no bread, sells no exports, fails to deliver justice, etc., etc. In short, a good government would be less about flag-waving and more about the delivery of quality public services, effective law and order, and the securing of advantageous treaties and trading arrangements. (As opposed to destroying them for irrational reasons.)
Better thing to do rather than get angry is ask why they protest like that and why people across the globe were not that bothered at the passing of this queen.When I saw the Celtic banners and how thought out they were it just widened my eyes and made me think “ fuckin hell they REALLY do hate us “ but it didn’t bother or anger me
The Liverpool fans I just roll my eyes at as if they were asked after the match why they would be booing they wouldn’t have a clue or just say something they heard big Dave in the pub say like “ why should I pay for them “
Load of bollocks (and I say that as a former member of the armed forces). We already had that situation in the 17th century and it didn't end well for the monarch.If the monarchy didn’t want to be abolished I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be, in fact, I believe there is more chance of parliament being abolished than the monarchy.
I asked my friend who was in 1 Para at the time, where his and what he thinks his regiments stance would be if we were in a government vs monarchy scenario. He was very clear, their allegiance is to the queen.
When push comes to shove, that’s who has the power, the commander in chief of the armed forces.
Better thing to do rather than get angry is ask why they protest like that and why people across the globe were not that bothered at the passing of this queen.
So things like the Celtic fans banner and chants are the rough and that's acceptable to you?
It's the irrational, emotional issue. It isn't rational to enjoy watching 22 men kick a ball around, but we have an emotional attachment to City, just as many do to the monarchy. The difference is, City are not part of the state.It’s strange after reading this thread people still think the football comparison is a good one
I understand all that and agree entirely.I feel the same. Why? Because I was raised in the shadow of Maine Road. Because I love the spectacle of the game. Because my earliest heroes were Doyle and Tueart and Barnes. Because I walked down Claremont Road with my grandad and a sea of blue. What is the difference? The players and my team produce something - spectacle, entertainment, rivalry, tribalism, heroism and an affinity with my ancestors, all of whom were blue. I mean no disrespect to the Queen but I simply do not know what she did.
Ok, issue here i think is that you have two sides looking at this from two very different angles. One side see's an old lady who has served her country and feel for her and her family the other side just sees what she represents and all what that institution has done across the globe.I don’t need to ask them, I myself was not bothered by the passing of the Queen
I was in 2para. I think it’s pathetic that folk bend the knee and the royal family is only negative for me. The courts have the power. The commander of the armed forces is a political stooge so doesn’t really have that much authority.If the monarchy didn’t want to be abolished I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be, in fact, I believe there is more chance of parliament being abolished than the monarchy.
I asked my friend who was in 1 Para at the time, where his and what he thinks his regiments stance would be if we were in a government vs monarchy scenario. He was very clear, their allegiance is to the queen.
When push comes to shove, that’s who has the power, the commander in chief of the armed forces.
Ok, issue here i think is that you have two sides looking at this from two very different angles. One side see's an old lady who has served her country and feel for her and her family the other side just sees what she represents and all what that institution has done across the globe.
I agree, it's a very hard choice as to where the dividing line is between freedom ofThink Voltaire (?) got it about right, "I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it". That Celtic banner was infantile and tasteless for many but start censoring stuff like that and we are on a very slippy slope imo.
I don’t have one really, I won’t be demanding people respect them on their funeral days, mostly because I won’t know when it will have been held.I don't particularly have a deep connection with Charles, I do think the monarchy is a good thing and also respect others who hold it in greater reverence than myself.
Can I ask what is your deep connection with 11 football players who pull on a blue shirt ? Are you related to any of them, do you know any of them personally? You can see where this is going cant you, some things we do or hold in high esteem as people are illogical?
Yes PR. Won't happen which is why the UK is in an irreversible tail spin.What system would you replace it with?
P.R.?
This is the nation which voted for brexit after all.
Haha. If you know that then the sensible thing would be to bail out.Yes PR. Won't happen which is why the UK is in an irreversible tail spin.
As a member of the SNP I'm doing everything I can mate :-)Haha. If you know that then the sensible thing would be to bail out.
Bet you don’t though.
Oh come on Alan. You do see the comparison. Your devotion to a football team and others devotion to a monarchy, that neither of you have a close personal connection with. I have a much deeper affection for City than I do for the monarchy by the way. Early on in my Marriage my wife soon worked out that it was wise to check the final score before I came home so she would know what kind of mood I would be I for the next few days. ;-) I can't really explain why it means so much to me to someone who doesn't follow football.I don’t have one really, I won’t be demanding people respect them on their funeral days, mostly because I won’t know when it will have been held.
The country as a whole won’t stop and I’m struggling to see an apt comparison.
Out of the frying pan.........As a member of the SNP I'm doing everything I can mate :-)
How do you feel about Wilfried Bony? Are you waiting for the call to go to his funeral?Oh come on Alan. You do see the comparison. Your devotion to a football team and others devotion to a monarchy, that neither of you have a close personal connection with. I have a much deeper affection for City than I do for the monarchy by the way. Early on in my Marriage my wife soon worked out that it was wise to check the final score before I came home so she would know what kind of mood I would be I for the next few days. ;-) I can't really explain why it means so much to me to someone who doesn't follow football.