I do have an opinion but there’s no way you can put a specific figure on it for blaming the government.
My opinion is based on our big neighbours in France and Germany, for example, who have had 50,000+ and 70,000+ deaths.
Merkel has been praised on here for her quick response and how she dealt with it earlier than Johnson, yet has had 50,000 deaths, and that’s even factoring in their measurement of deaths related to Covid being stricter than ours.
I think it’s very fair to say that it would have been incredibly difficult, nigh on impossible, to keep it below 10,000 and a similar amount to Germany was at least inevitable.
I think it's fair to say many lives could have been saved, but impossible to put a figure on it.Is it a fair summary of that, based on that comparison, to say you think that around 30-50,000 people have died as a result of mistakes this government has made? (Accepting as read the caveats about the difficulties of attributing a specific death to a specific causal factor.)
I think it's fair to say many lives could have been saved, but impossible to put a figure on it.
Is it a fair summary of that, based on that comparison, to say you think that around 30-50,000 people have died as a result of mistakes this government has made? (Accepting as read the caveats about the difficulties of attributing a specific death to a specific causal factor.)
Well, how many do you think?
No idea. If we'd have stopped any international movement of people or goods and had a complete lockdown like wuhan with nobody allowed out at all for a month last March, and no international travel since then we might have saved nearly all of them. Its always a choice between killing people or killing the economy and I think all govt have tried to achieve an acceptable balance of both. For me our govt have stumbled through this compromise in a generally well meaning way but fucked up a few key things, and generally the things they have got right have been done too late.Well, how many do you think?
You can’t possibly draw these conclusions, far too many variables.
Population age and general health, especially in areas worst affected, are massive deciders in outcomes. That’s without considering our social care system and variations of the virus.
We need an enquiry to learn from this and but the starting and ending point should not be what did the government do wrong but rather a holistic review of “health” in the UK be that acute settings, care home settings, our own personal health, etc. This government (and successive ones) has an opportunity to make every one of those deaths matter and enact real and meaningful change.
No idea. If we'd have stopped any international movement of people or goods and had a complete lockdown like wuhan with nobody allowed out at all for a month last March, and no international travel since then we might have saved nearly all of them. Its always a choice between killing people or killing the economy and I think all govt have tried to achieve an acceptable balance of both. For me our govt have stumbled through this compromise in a generally well meaning way but fucked up a few key things, and generally the things they have got right have been done too late.
No I wouldn’t say it is fair.Is it a fair summary of that, based on that comparison, to say you think that around 30-50,000 people have died as a result of mistakes this government has made? (Accepting as read the caveats about the difficulties of attributing a specific death to a specific causal factor.)
Perhaps take the number of deaths comparable to other European nations, proximity, size, etc and use any excess number above an average as a means of determining Govt culpability?