I’m sorry but this is ridiculous.
How is he expected to know her intentions?
She wasn’t “clearly unarmed” - did she walk in naked?
You do realise you’ve quoted a Barrister don’t you?
If anyone on here knows, it’s him.
I agree that it was towards the rougher side of restraining but it was still within the bracket of what’s reasonable in that situation.
And I happen to agree with the girl on climate change.
I’ve only seen the one clip, briefly and he seems a little heavy handed.
I listened briefly to LBC earlier and the former head of prosecution for the north west(name escapes me) has said that he should be charged ‘no question’
It’s on the heavy handed side but just within what I’d class as OK in that scenario.
Charge is completely different to being found guilty.
We're a virus.We're under-evolved mate, the hunter gatherer instincts will fuck us in this day and age.
I completely accept being charged is different to being found guilt
By post/point was you told someone they were quoting a barrister that said he shouldn’t be charged whereas there are Barristers/senior prosecutors who disagree
I have no opinion so don’t really want to get into it
Anyone. Anyone....Yeah, ego. It's what got us to where we are but it's also what is going to kill us unless genius gets us out of it. Advances in technology have saved us over the last 2 centuries but they're coming in the wrong areas now and we seem to be approaching a tipping point. It'll take a far more intelligent human than me to figure out how to fix that.
Defence of another is a common law defence to assault. If someone went toward me with a knife, and you were present, you would be entitled to use whatever force was necessary towards them to prevent them from attacking me, including (in some circumstances) using that knife upon the attacker. I don't believe that should be a difficult concept to grasp. You are lawfully allowed to use reasonable force, when you perceive a threat to another, as long as you reasonably apprehend that force to another to be a clear and present threat. The two concepts of defence of another and reasonable force are not mutually exlusive, as you appear to suggest. Quite the opposite, they are both key components to any defence to a charge of assault in these circumstances.
Based on what I have seen, I do not believe there was any way he could have known with any certainty that she was not a threat, given he time he had to react along with the location and people present. Did he know for sure she was a Greenpeace protester?
I believe his reaction could be held to be a bit OTT, but that does not make someone guilty of assault unless a jury is sure that person did not reasonably believe there was any threat to another, especially given the limited amount of force he used. If he'd stabbed her with a bread knife, then the position would be manifestly different.
When I said 'acceptable' I meant in terms of criminal liability, not my own perception. I should have made that clearer.
They would if they'd brought Danny Grewcock with them.Those Women wouldn't have got in if Stan Collymore was on the door.
I'd agree, it's not like he's done anything but incapacitate her. He's still a **** though.Criminal assault is never gong to stick. He would claim, with a degree of justification, defence of another, based on his reasonable apprehension of the situation. His response was probably a bit OTT, but within acceptable bounds in the circumstances, imo.
Oh Dear. Then there was one.
The remain candidate bites the dust.Boris and his campaign will love this as he had little chance to start with......he now has none at all.
Like it makes any difference to the outcome which one wins.The remain candidate bites the dust.
Hilarious you are presenting someone formerly senior in the CPS as providing any credibility. He or she presumably oversaw its castration and complete voiding of any morale. I doubt there’s a government department that’s been more damaged by austerity and poor management than the CPS, compounded by politicisation in recent years. Shame, because there’s some incredible people who work there. So dedicated and professional.I’ve only seen the one clip, briefly and he seems a little heavy handed.
I listened briefly to LBC earlier and the former head of prosecution for the north west(name escapes me) has said that he should be charged ‘no question’
I agree, but also suggest taking Boris at his word will end in tears. He's also more than happy to contradict himself and make blatant political u turns for his own ends. His language around the 31 October deadline has already (suddenly) softened.Boris and his campaign will love this as he had little chance to start with......he now has none at all.
Oh Dear. Then there was one.
That last paragraph is very odd. "Feeling attacked" sounds way too imprecise. And didn't you just condemn and belittle the management of the CPS? (Not my thing. .)Hilarious you are presenting someone formerly senior in the CPS as providing any credibility. He or she presumably oversaw its castration and complete voiding of any morale. I doubt there’s a government department that’s been more damaged by austerity and poor management than the CPS, compounded by politicisation in recent years. Shame, because there’s some incredible people who work there. So dedicated and professional.
Dismiss the rule of law and fair justice at your peril. It’s one of the key components that prevents us from behaving like animals, which is basically what we are. All fucking day long.
If we feel our society is broadly “fair” we love it; if we feel it is “unfair” we feel a nagging sense of hate. In my eyes, a society is only worthwhile and venerable if it shows mercy and compassion. All some people seem to want to do these days is condemn and belittle.
Not my thing, man.
This should not be a prosecution for assault if the laws of common sense are meaningfully applied. No way.
The laws of assault should always favour those who reasonably feel attacked. The alternative is malign and dangerous.
He called for a ‘peoples vote’ 4 months before the referendum’?The Blond Vermin said much the same back in February 2016.