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Maybe he should have milkshaked her?

The uproar and demanding his sacking could have then been because he had a plastic straw in it?

Private function with a senior government minister in attendance amongst other Parliamentarians and protesters feels they can just waltz in with no consequences whatsoever?

Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid and be it an MP or a close protection officer or police officer, she suffered no more than a female streaker at the football would have done.

It’s always good to read the uproar on here though and posters so shocked at the violence used they would have “kicked his fucking head in” to quote just one.
 
blueinsa said:
Maybe he should have milkshaked her?

The uproar and demanding his sacking could have then been because he had a plastic straw in it?

Private function with a senior government minister in attendance amongst other Parliamentarians and protesters feels they can just waltz in with no consequences whatsoever?

Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid and be it an MP or a close protection officer or police officer, she suffered no more than a female streaker at the football would have done.

It’s always good to read the uproar on here though and posters so shocked at the violence used they would have “kicked his fucking head in” to quote just one.
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Sorry mate but I don’t personally grab a woman by the back of the neck whose only crime is to inconvience me.
 
blueinsa said:
Maybe he should have milkshaked her?

The uproar and demanding his sacking could have then been because he had a plastic straw in it?

Private function with a senior government minister in attendance amongst other Parliamentarians and protesters feels they can just waltz in with no consequences whatsoever?

Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid and be it an MP or a close protection officer or police officer, she suffered no more than a female streaker at the football would have done.

It’s always good to read the uproar on here though and posters so shocked at the violence used they would have “kicked his fucking head in” to quote just one.
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Glad you find it ok. Your a DISGRACE
 
Ric said:
Bizarre response from Kuenssberg. Why on earth would that be your first reaction to a woman being assaulted by a government minister?! Presumably Field will lose his job for this, and deservedly so.
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Bizarre? That Labour will make something of it? BBC balance, don't you know?
 
Ric said:
Bizarre response from Kuenssberg. Why on earth would that be your first reaction to a woman being assaulted by a government minister?! Presumably Field will lose his job for this, and deservedly so.
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I'm hoping she was trying to stay impartial and just report the facts. Sadly she has previous on Twitter.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Criminal assault is never gong to stick. He would claim, with a degree of justification, defence of another, based on his reasonable apprehension of the situation. His response was probably a bit OTT, but within acceptable bounds in the circumstances, imo.
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I think it comes to 'reasonable force'. A female Greenpeace activist clearly unarmed in a very crowded room. No danger to anyone no matter what people may say about 'she shouldn't have been there'. Don't know where you get 'defence of another' from.

I think you will find that Greenpeace have a history of non violent protests and this was very clearly a Greenpeace protest. How can you say that someone's reaction was OTT but acceptable? If it is OTT then it is unacceptable.
 
This Tory leadership lark must be costing us tax payers a lot of money? Unless, of course, they have all taken unpaid leave to do all this.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I think it comes to 'reasonable force'. A female Greenpeace activist clearly unarmed in a very crowded room. No danger to anyone no matter what people may say about 'she shouldn't have been there'. Don't know where you get 'defence of another' from.

I think you will find that Greenpeace have a history of non violent protests and this was very clearly a Greenpeace protest. How can you say that someone's reaction was OTT but acceptable? If it is OTT then it is unacceptable.
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I’m sorry but this is ridiculous.

How is he expected to know her intentions?

She wasn’t “clearly unarmed” - did she walk in naked?

You do realise you’ve quoted a Barrister don’t you?

If anyone on here knows, it’s him.

I agree that it was towards the rougher side of restraining but it was still within the bracket of what’s reasonable in that situation.

And I happen to agree with the girl on climate change.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I think it comes to 'reasonable force'. A female Greenpeace activist clearly unarmed in a very crowded room. No danger to anyone no matter what people may say about 'she shouldn't have been there'. Don't know where you get 'defence of another' from.

I think you will find that Greenpeace have a history of non violent protests and this was very clearly a Greenpeace protest. How can you say that someone's reaction was OTT but acceptable? If it is OTT then it is unacceptable.
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Defence of another is a common law defence to assault. If someone went toward me with a knife, and you were present, you would be entitled to use whatever force was necessary towards them to prevent them from attacking me, including (in some circumstances) using that knife upon the attacker. I don't believe that should be a difficult concept to grasp. You are lawfully allowed to use reasonable force, when you perceive a threat to another, as long as you reasonably apprehend that force to another to be a clear and present threat. The two concepts of defence of another and reasonable force are not mutually exlusive, as you appear to suggest. Quite the opposite, they are both key components to any defence to a charge of assault in these circumstances.

Based on what I have seen, I do not believe there was any way he could have known with any certainty that she was not a threat, given he time he had to react along with the location and people present. Did he know for sure she was a Greenpeace protester?

I believe his reaction could be held to be a bit OTT, but that does not make someone guilty of assault unless a jury is sure that person did not reasonably believe there was any threat to another, especially given the limited amount of force he used. If he'd stabbed her with a bread knife, then the position would be manifestly different.

When I said 'acceptable' I meant in terms of criminal liability, not my own perception. I should have made that clearer.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
This Tory leadership lark must be costing us tax payers a lot of money? Unless, of course, they have all taken unpaid leave to do all this.
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How much is it costing to keep that useless woman in a job while they fuck about finding the next clown
 
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