The Conservative Party

[Armchair Supporter]

So, the tories can change the rules on electing a new leader at the drop of a hat. Read new Prime Minister, who we will absolutely no choice in electing and yet a new Brexit vote is out of the question because we have had a vote already. Doesn’t make sense to me. This way of running, sorry ruining, the country may have been OK 100 years ago before universal suffrage but today it is outmoded and unfair. People feel disenfranchised enough already and it is no wonder few people turn out to vote.

Drop of a hat?

This is the May-Bot. Its unrelenting and indistructable lol

 

[Armchair Supporter]

 

[bluethrunthru]

I suspect even they could see through how that would look in a democracy......

 

[Fred_Quimby]

So now they want to stop Pensioner benefits and give the money to the younger generation because they are less well off. Anyone think the money will go to them? Here an answer - how about giving more benefits to the less well off?

 

[Chippy_boy]

I suspect even they could see through how that would look in a democracy......

Not sure that's got anything to do with it to be honest. If they gave a shit about "how it would look" wrt to all sorts of things, then the party wouldn't be in the utterly dire straights it is in. And whether we like it or not, parties being able to change their leader without a GE is the way it is. Gordon Brown was never elected as PM by the british electorate was he.

The 1 year challenge rule is simply a Tory party rule and nothing more, but I think it's a crap rule and leaders should be open to be challenged daily. Under the rules a challenge needs a certain number of signatures (is it 50, I can't remember) before the challenge has to be defended, so in practice the PM is never going to get challenged daily, but the alternative of only once a year, leaves us with this utterly ridiculous situation that a dreadful PM who commands bugger-all support across the population, cannot be got rid of. That cannot be right.

 

[Mike D]

Not sure that's got anything to do with it to be honest. If they gave a shit about "how it would look" wrt to all sorts of things, then the party wouldn't be in the utterly dire straights it is in. And whether we like it or not, parties being able to change their leader without a GE is the way it is. Gordon Brown was never elected as PM by the british electorate was he.

The 1 year challenge rule is simply a Tory party rule and nothing more, but I think it's a crap rule and leaders should be open to be challenged daily. Under the rules a challenge needs a certain number of signatures (is it 50, I can't remember) before the challenge has to be defended, so in practice the PM is never going to get challenged daily, but the alternative of only once a year, leaves us with this utterly ridiculous situation that a dreadful PM who commands bugger-all support across the population, cannot be got rid of. That cannot be right.

But its yet more justification (if it was needed) how much of a clusterfuck they are in. They have a leader who is the worst PM in history her ratings are so poor they've given up looking at them and yet they have tried and still can't get rid of her. Like as one of her ministers Graylings was once described as (by a Tory MP) "The shit that wouldn't flush"

Surely to god if they didn't want all they need is a secret ballot and a letter from a significant number of MP's to say we won't back you anymore and will vote against or abstain in every vote it's time to go. But your party can't even manage that these fuckwits can't even manage that what an absolute shit shower.

 

[Armchair Supporter]

Or perhaps she is a sacrificial lamb.

 

[Ban-jani]

So now they want to stop Pensioner benefits and give the money to the younger generation because they are less well off. Anyone think the money will go to them? Here an answer - how about giving more benefits to the less well off?

Pensioner benefits aren’t enough as it is.

I’m in the younger generation so will benefit but a state pension is hardly anything.

 

[Fame Monster]

These leadership challenges to May are pathetic and unbelievably short-sighted from the sly, 'bastard' element of the Tories. As soon as they flush out all the centrists and pursue this hard Brexit that so much of their membership want, the party will split into two.

 

[Chris in London]

These leadership challenges to May are pathetic and unbelievably short-sighted from the sly, 'bastard' element of the Tories. As soon as they flush out all the centrists and pursue this hard Brexit that so much of their membership want, the party will split into two.

I don’t think it will split in two. Whereas the conservatives were always historically a broad church, from the one-nation ‘Tory wet’ wing to the right wing of the party, now the one nation element is steadily becoming marginalised. The local grass roots activists however have largely been the more reactionary element - retired colonels and daily mail aficionados etc. What I foresee happening is a more gradual process where the Conservative party becomes entrenched in the ground occupied by its constituency membership, maybe with Farage returning to the fold, while the more moderate element starts to follow Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen out of the party.