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The 1988 John Carpenter horror movie They Live was a deliberate critique of Reagan (and Kwarteng's) failed and utterly discredited theory of trickle-down economics, and it even anticipates aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

For anyone who hasn't seen this and is short of time, the sequence that starts at 29 minutes and 45 seconds is just mesmerising, one of the greatest sections of any high or low brow film.

 
Len Rum said:
"half the fucking country broke the rules, including Labour MPs " - you're talking through your arse mate unless you've got evidence to the contrary. Even if it were true, the PM is supposed to set an example and stick to the rules he set! FFS!
So what did he get done? The quick roll out of the vaccine I hear you parrot. So how come we've got circa 200k deaths, amongst the worst death rates in the world.
Wake up. Smell it.
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Gosh I am really surprised by your views Len. How refreshing.
 
domalino said:
What did he get done? Can you actually name anything?
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Er how about Brexit for a start? And how about getting us a tariff-free trade deal which NOBODY in the Remain camp - least of all me - thought was ever possible in a million years. No-one gave him a cat in hells chance, let alone getting it done in the timescales needed.

In words of wise old Len, wake up and smell it.
 
Tomorrows early headlines - all grim for Truss - the supportive papers are yet to appear probably thinking "how the fuck do we spin this into something positive?"

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Chippy_boy said:
Er how about Brexit for a start? And how about getting us a tariff-free trade deal which NOBODY in the Remain camp - least of all me - thought was ever possible in a million years. No-one gave him a cat in hells chance, let alone getting it done in the timescales needed.

In words of wise old Len, wake up and smell it.
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He made the fucking worse brexit deal possible. Fuck me, my dead dog could have signed off on the same deal as that fat scruffy useless ****.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Er how about Brexit for a start? And how about getting us a tariff-free trade deal which NOBODY in the Remain camp - least of all me - thought was ever possible in a million years. No-one gave him a cat in hells chance, let alone getting it done in the timescales needed.

In words of wise old Len, wake up and smell it.
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You’re fucked in the head, mate. Probably need to step away and understand what you are trying to defend. This is not some sort of theory test, it’s about people possibly losing everything they’ve worked so hard for.
 
Phil1 said:
He made the fucking worse brexit deal possible. Fuck me, my dead dog could have signed off on the same deal as that fat scruffy useless ****.
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Wow, your dog must have been clever. How do you think the deal could have been any better? Given that Brexit is a complete shit show anyway. What exactly do you think Fido could have got that we didn't get? Free Belgian doggy biscuits.

So let's hear it then. How could he have done any better?
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
The 1988 John Carpenter horror movie They Live was a deliberate critique of Reagan (and Kwarteng's) failed and utterly discredited theory of trickle-down economics, and it even anticipates aspects of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

For anyone who hasn't seen this and is short of time, the sequence that starts at 29 minutes and 45 seconds is just mesmerising, one of the greatest sections of any high or low brow film.

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Big fan of Carpenter and I haven't seen this for some time.
One to stick on over the next week or so.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Wow, your dog must have been clever. How do you think the deal could have been any better? Given that Brexit is a complete shit show anyway. What exactly do you think Fido could have got that we didn't get? Free Belgian doggy biscuits.

So let's hear it then. How could he have done any better?
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Do you honestly think he had any input? He signed off on what was put in front of him and used a three word slogan off the back of it to get votes from the dafties.
 
Brewster's millions said:
You can argue all night about the efficacy of the vaccine itself, but the pace of the rollout was undeniably faster than practically any other country, and I think it’s naive to suggest that No10 had no bearing on that.

Again, I’m not a fan of Johnson, but the vaccine rollout was a success during his time as PM.
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Not to mention the five missed Cobra meetings and the care home crisis and the disastrous two week delay for the first lockdown ( when we could see what was happening in Italy) and the failure of track and trace and the dash to open up before Xmas in 2020 then slamming the brakes on after the seeding of the virus in shopping centres etc and the two week delay (was ! It Omicron ?) when we delayed banning arrivals from India because he wanted to go India and meet Modi and didn't want to upset him and the Cummings affair and various PPE scandals and oh I nearly forgot - Partygate. I could go on.
Apart from that didn't he do well!
 
Chippy_boy said:
Er how about Brexit for a start? And how about getting us a tariff-free trade deal which NOBODY in the Remain camp - least of all me - thought was ever possible in a million years. No-one gave him a cat in hells chance, let alone getting it done in the timescales needed.

In words of wise old Len, wake up and smell it.
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What does that actually mean though? Getting Brexit done?

Brexit was done on the 23rd June 2016. The only thing to do after that was find an agreement that didn't utterly tank the British economy and he failed spectacularly. In fact, Johnson signed an agreement that he argued against when May was in charge because it's imposed a border in the North Sea.

That's despite campaigning in the general election that there would be no border of any kind.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Johnson tells Northern Ireland businesses to ‘bin’ customs forms

Boris Johnson has told Northern Ireland businesses they can put customs declarations forms “in the bin” because there will be “no barriers of any kind” to trade crossing the Irish Sea.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Now we're getting sued for breaking the NI protocol because....it's completely unworkable. Just like everyone said it was.

"Getting Brexit done" is only half a slogan, the unspoken bit is "whatever the cost" and the cost has been unprecedented.

But halfwits like you heard him shout about Getting Brexit Done so often you convinced yourselves it was an achievement.

Oh and, that Tariff free trade deal no one thought he could get? He didn't get it.

www.independent.co.uk

Tariffs paid on £9.5bn of EU exports despite PM’s ‘tariff-free’ Brexit deal claim

One in eight traders has lost business, while a quarter of small firms are considering quitting of Britain, Dispatches reports
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Again, he spewed out bullshit and you grabbed a spoon.
 
Len Rum said:
Not to mention the five missed Cobra meetings and the care home crisis and the disastrous two week delay for the first lockdown ( when we could see what was happening in Italy) and the failure of track and trace and the dash to open up before Xmas in 2020 then slamming the brakes on after the seeding of the virus in shopping centres etc and the two week delay (was ! It Omicron ?) when we delayed banning arrivals from India because he wanted to go India and meet Modi and didn't want to upset him and the Cummings affair and various PPE scandals and oh I nearly forgot - Partygate. I could go on.
Apart from that didn't he do well!
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‘Let them pile 10,000 high’.

The list goes on.
 
Len Rum said:
Not to mention the five missed Cobra meetings and the care home crisis and the disastrous two week delay for the first lockdown ( when we could see what was happening in Italy) and the failure of track and trace and the dash to open up before Xmas in 2020 then slamming the brakes on after the seeding of the virus in shopping centres etc and the two week delay (was ! It Omicron ?) when we delayed banning arrivals from India because he wanted to go India and meet Modi and didn't want to upset him and the Cummings affair and various PPE scandals and oh I nearly forgot - Partygate. I could go on.
Apart from that didn't he do well!
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Missing the initial Cobra meetings was undeniably unforgivable, and his inability to prevent his private life from affecting his work is one of the reasons why I don’t like him.

However the actual discussion was with regard to the vaccine programme and whether the identity of the PM would have made any difference to the speed of the rollout. My argument was that Starmer’s approach would have led to a slower rollout than we experienced, and so therefore the identity of the PM did matter.
 
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