The Conservative Party

Vic said:
Reversed 45p cut but still borrowing to fund a 1p cut in basic rare that benefits the rich most.
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And still moving ahead with "driving supply side reforms - including accelerating major infrastructure projects".

Presumably, this is to do with those charter cities or investment zones, small scale supply-side experiments that are designed to turn places like Hull into Monaco.

More complete and utter bollocks in other words.
 
blueinsa said:
Twats like Philp are why we are in such a mess.
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Just been owned by Burley and it seems that it was him who put the proposition forward. He avoided the direct questions and you can now see why he was the one pushed forward to be the face of this stupid plan.

Vote Stupid, Get Stupid.

Get - Tories - Out!
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Just been owned by Burley and it seems that it was him who put the proposition forward. He avoided the direct questions and you can now see why he was the one pushed forward to be the face of this stupid plan.

Vote Stupid, Get Stupid.

Get - Tories - Out!
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Must admit she really did give it to him. He's One of the biggest Bellends in that whole shitstain of a party.
 
Gabriel said:
Has the pie grown or stayed the same now? Asking for a friend in Wigan.
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‘Most economic fallacies derive from…the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one can gain only at the expense of another.’ - Milton Friedman

Might as well mention that I found out yesterday that Kwarteng almost certainly attended a memorial lecture on Ayn Rand a few years ago.

This does not surprise me if the story is true. What the formidable theologian John Milbank once said about Sajid Javid would also then apply to Kwarteng:

"It is extraordinarily disturbing that any mainstream politician should express any admiration for Ayn Rand. We should be concerned that someone like Sajid Javid can now hold high office within the United Kingdom.

Rand promoted a cult of amoral selfishness and ruthlessness that is certainly not conservative in any traditional sense – certainly not Burkean, but quite emphatically Nietzschean. The cult of Ayn Rand represents exactly the point where neoliberalism tends to veer towards a particular niche corner of the Far-Right. For there is little in her outlook that would necessarily favour democracy.”
 
I'm still not sure how real growth occurs bearing in mind: we have almost full employment but there are many vacancies. Unless there is a serious review of freedom of movement this situation can not be resolved. As the boss of a large builder stated, "you can lift planning restrictions as much as you like but if I haven't got the staff to build the houses nothing will happen". But hey all those people who voted for "B" knew full well this was going to happen!!!
 
hampshireblue said:
I'm still not sure how real growth occurs bearing in mind: we have almost full employment but there are many vacancies. Unless there is a serious review of freedom of movement this situation can not be resolved. As the boss of a large builder stated, "you can lift planning restrictions as much as you like but if I haven't got the staff to build the houses nothing will happen". But hey all those people who voted for "B" knew full well this was going to happen!!!
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Same way they're going to magic up all the workers to build 8* nuclear power stations

* give or take 8.
 
For as long as I remember, Tories have talked about 'growing the pie' in preference to redistribution.

It looks attractive at first sight, doesn't it? The snags: 1. It's not that simple, or everyone would be doing it. And it's even more complex in a developed economy. 2. Big Brother Joe, who always insists on the biggest slice of the pie, will demand an even bigger slice of the bigger pie as an 'incentive'. Because Big Brother Joe does not give a shit about his siblings living on crumbs.

This is typical simplistic Tory bollocks, drawing analogies that they think 'ordinary people' i.e. mugs can understand. See also 'maxing out the nation's credit card' and 'only spending what we earn.'

Oh, and as an aside, if I was planning to grow the economy my first step would not be Brexit which it is acknowledged has knocked 4% off GDP for no tangible advantage whatever.

OTOH, if I was a politician in the here-and-now, and wanted quick growth, my first step would be to apply to join the Single Market and align with the EU as much as possible to boost trade. But then I am not a blinkered idealogue who thinks it's still 1955 and that we can somehow persuade the world to share our delusions about 'free markets' and all the rest of the right-wing imaginary bullshit.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Scrapping the 45p top rate.

Fucking embarrassing and a confirmation, if needed, she doesn't have a clue or conviction.
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They thought they could get away with this

they thought giving tax breaks to the wealthiest and letting hedge fund managers profit the most is something they could do on the sly.
 
bonespost said:
Still not listening
www.independent.co.uk

Kwarteng confirms further cuts of up to £18bn for public services

Budgets will not be topped up to take account of soaring inflation, chancellor says
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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This shithead said that the tax matter for the richest was dropped as it had ‘become a distraction’
A distraction?
It’s gone beyond insulting to anyone with a semblance of intelligence facing impossible financial challenges and who is worried about the countries future.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Doesn't matter.... jobs done and Tory supporting hedge funds have made their killing. The rest of us will be punished by higher mortgage and interest rates.
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I had this argument with someone over the weekend. The usual was quoted that we had 15% rates 20 years ago and we were fine but that was 15% based upon what you borrowed 20 years ago which was far less. The maths are pretty simple, 15% rates on a mortgage of £200k is a lot more than 15% rates on a mortgage of £20k... The proportion of income to housing costs has only got worse over the years.

That's what people do not understand where even a 0.5% rate increase at current house prices could put people into hardship. We bought our house 4 years ago, the rate was 0.5% then and we pay £830pm. I dread to think what it'll be when our fix ends in 3 years. No-one is immune because this will impact landlords who need to cover their costs and so rents will go up even more than mortgages.

The BoE are idiotic and completely moronic to raise rates to combat inflation when inflation is being caused by problems outside the UK. We already have the government paying chunks of our energy bills to keep the energy market alive so what's next, the government pays people's mortgages to keep the housing market going???

The thing is a change of government won't help because Labour won't do a single thing about this either, they can put more spending in but that will compound inflation further and their taxation plans aren't exactly investment friendly compared to the Tories so nothing will change. Regardless of government the £ will still be on its arse and inflation will be sky high so at the moment we have no real choice.

What is really needed is a common sense approach or policies that resolve the causes of inflation which is the post-COVID/Brexit supply troubles and the war in Ukraine. We can get our knickers in a twist about tax breaks for millionaires but either way that's irrelevant to the problem of the day. I haven't seen jack all from either party on how they will resolve all of this because the fact is they don't have a clue.
 
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