The Conservative Party

[TheBlueDune]

Seems reasonable to me.
The point of it being free is because you aren’t working/more likely to need prescription.
People are working longer/living longer.
Sensible area to save some money to be spent elsewhere.
Of course we could just Chuck as much money as we can at everything and anything and let the national debt get worse and worse

At what point would it be unreasonable to you?

Maybe start charging for GP consultations if you're under state pension age.
Maybe charge for hospital procedures, that'll cut waiting lists at a stroke.
Maybe charge for all "self-inflicted" conditions coming from obesity, lack of exercise, alcohol, or even punish people from having children when there's a risk of passing genetic conditions.

It's a scale and as soon as you accept reduced benefit then where is the line drawn.
The welfare state grew out of poverty and suffering for the poor working classes.
Start giving it away and who knows what will be next.
Don't fall for the spin.

 

[bluethrunthru]

David Davis on QT tonight - " the people of Batley and Spen have been neglected by the govt for 50 years "

Over that period the Tories have been in power for 34 of those 50 years. Davis has been a Tory MP for 24 of those years.

If people are going to mindlessly fall for this bull shit without considering the detail then they deserve unemployment, pay for heath care, eating meals from food banks and the rest that will follow and I don't care if they object to being called stupid because as I have illustrated they are - also they are compliant and submissive. Fools one and all.

 

[Vic]

Seems reasonable to me.
The point of it being free is because you aren’t working/more likely to need prescription.
People are working longer/living longer.
Sensible area to save some money to be spent elsewhere.
Of course we could just Chuck as much money as we can at everything and anything and let the national debt get worse and worse

£37bn on ineffective test and trace.

This is to pay for the bungs to Tory donors.

And aren't we getting £350m a week for the NHS from Brexit?

 

[Vic]

At what point would it be unreasonable to you?

Maybe start charging for GP consultations if you're under state pension age.
Maybe charge for hospital procedures, that'll cut waiting lists at a stroke.
Maybe charge for all "self-inflicted" conditions coming from obesity, lack of exercise, alcohol, or even punish people from having children when there's a risk of passing genetic conditions.

It's a scale and as soon as you accept reduced benefit then where is the line drawn.
The welfare state grew out of poverty and suffering for the poor working classes.
Start giving it away and who knows what will be next.
Don't fall for the spin.

His problem is the NHS.

It's in crisis because people are living longer. Why are they living longer? Because of the NHS.

 

[ctwrd]

His problem is the NHS.

It's in crisis because people are living longer. Why are they living longer? Because of the NHS.

NHS is worldwidE now is it?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Bizarre take. Did you not watch this evening?

worst
Thing about that programme is Fiona Bruce. Absolutely awful.

I did watch this evening and the way she shepherds voices in and out is very different for both sides.

 

[Vic]

NHS is worldwidE now is it?

Socialised health care is.

In most places.

Why is life expectancy in the US lower than in other rich countries?

Americans have a lower life expectancy than people in other rich countries despite paying much more for healthcare. What factors may explain this?

ourworldindata.org

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I don’t think they care about that at all. It serves the longer term goal of reducing and reducing the list of things you can rely on the NHS for/ the people who can rely on it, so there’s less and less pushback against its underfunding and continuing piecemeal privatisation. No British government can ever say ‘we will get rid of the NHS’, but what they’ve discovered in the last decade is you can quite easily destroy it bit by bit.

And as they sell off the profitable bits it makes the remaining more 'unprofitable' and expensive. Eventually it will give them the business case to privatise medical care totally.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Seems reasonable to me.
The point of it being free is because you aren’t working/more likely to need prescription.
People are working longer/living longer.
Sensible area to save some money to be spent elsewhere.
Of course we could just Chuck as much money as we can at everything and anything and let the national debt get worse and worse

The entire world is over £280 Trillion in debt ..... please could you clarify who its owed to (as aliens haven't been seen yet? )

 

[Mike Cledford]

The entire world is over £280 Trillion in debt ..... please could you clarify who its owed to (as aliens haven't been seen yet? )

Me! But I will accept 10p in the pound.