The Conservative Party

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is a party more than a decade into its reign that has doubled the national debt (pre-pandemic); given a vast increase in homelessness; the lowest state pension in Europe; the collapse of social care; soaring violence on our streets; the highest death toll in Europe, despite being an island; broken promises on housebuilding; 29m views of its leader's lies; cash for lobbying; unlawfully awarded contracts; peerages for donations and now the debacle of Afghanistan and empty supermarket shelves. When will the nation wake up?

but but .... Socialism

 

[bluethrunthru]

but but .... Socialism

exactly - as long as people believe the alternative is worse they will put up with being abused

 

[Len Rum]

This is a party more than a decade into its reign that has doubled the national debt (pre-pandemic); given a vast increase in homelessness; the lowest state pension in Europe; the collapse of social care; soaring violence on our streets; the highest death toll in Europe, despite being an island; broken promises on housebuilding; 29m views of its leader's lies; cash for lobbying; unlawfully awarded contracts; peerages for donations and now the debacle of Afghanistan and empty supermarket shelves. When will the nation wake up?

Yeah but apart from that....

 

[Octavian]

Am I reading people moaning about paying extra tax in an emergency situation and then advocating socialism in the same breath?

 

[nmc]

When the parliamentary lines were redrawn it made it more difficult for Labour or the Liberals to gain seats in the house.
The conservatives promised us Brexit and now we see there true colours, pension’s and social care will be hammered but the electorate don’t want to pay for it. Its easier to increase tax on the rich messing with the old and the sick is wrong

Maybe we should tax wealth rather than picking on those earning the minimum wage all the time.

 

[Octavian]

Maybe we should tax wealth rather than picking on those earning the minimum wage all the time.

What taxes do those on minimum wage pay vs those earning say, £100,000 a year?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Am I reading people moaning about paying extra tax in an emergency situation and then advocating socialism in the same breath?

What emergency situation? If you are talking about taxing to pay for pandemic cash injection and shortfall in tax take then that is counterproductive. Sucking money out of the economy at the same time as pumping it in.

It’s quite simple though, do we have a universal model of social care system (like the NHS)? No.

Should we have one? Yes seems like a sensible idea.

Should we pay for it by taxation that is raised by a fair and equitable system?

Is it fair to increase tax burden on low income earners but not on well off pensioners? No. And they can't rely on the argument that "they have paid in all their lives" because we don't have a universal social care system and their taxes were never intended to be allocated to such a system.

 

[Octavian]

What emergency situation? If you are talking about taxing to pay for pandemic cash injection and shortfall in tax take then that is counterproductive. Sucking money out of the economy at the same time as pumping it in.

It’s quite simple though, do we have a universal model of social care system (like the NHS)? No.

Should we have one? Yes seems like a sensible idea.

Should we pay for it by taxation that is raised by a fair and equitable system?

Is it fair to increase tax burden on low income earners but not on well off pensioners? No. And they can't rely on the argument that "they have paid in all their lives" because we don't have a universal social care system and their taxes were never intended to be allocated to such a system.

The emergency is pretty clear, it’s laid out in the article and the government are trying to stop pensioners being fucked.

The proposal is a 1% increase across the board, so the higher the earner, the more you pay.

I’m not necessarily against a universal social care system but there’s a big bill coming soon and it’s going to have to be paid.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The emergency is pretty clear, it’s laid out in the article and the government are trying to stop pensioners being fucked.

The proposal is a 1% increase across the board, so the higher the earner, the more you pay.

I’m not necessarily against a universal social care system but there’s a big bill coming soon and it’s going to have to be paid.

Why shouldn't pensioners above a wealth and income threshold put into the system too?

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[bluethrunthru]

The emergency is pretty clear, it’s laid out in the article and the government are trying to stop pensioners being fucked.

The proposal is a 1% increase across the board, so the higher the earner, the more you pay.

I’m not necessarily against a universal social care system but there’s a big bill coming soon and it’s going to have to be paid.

Its not an immediate problem - its been one that is coming and has been since the 80's when there was a fundamental change in Govt attitudes about big Govt helping its citizens. The thing should have been addressed donkeys years ago but successive Govts have caved because they are fearful of taking more off the well off. Its about 20% of the population who have an income above the mean and medium UK incomes and yet somehow what they think holds more sway than the other 80%. Wonder why that is.