The Conservative Party

Yep the tragedy is a big percentage of people will never get much to enjoy the money they have earnt.
This country is finished

Unfortunately most of the Tories won't be amongst that percentage, due to the corruption and dirty dealings that they have engaged in throughout their miserable fucking lives.

Meanwhile decent, honest, hard working people ..............................
 
Unfortunately most of the Tories won't be amongst that percentage, due to the corruption and dirty dealings that they have engaged in throughout their miserable fucking lives.

Meanwhile decent, honest, hard working people ..............................
so what's the long term answer then, will a Labour goverment do things any different?
 
Unfortunately most of the Tories won't be amongst that percentage, due to the corruption and dirty dealings that they have engaged in throughout their miserable fucking lives.

Meanwhile decent, honest, hard working people ..............................

For MPs, that's fair, although retiring age as an MP is often well into the 70s

Most Conservative voters will presumably be in the same boat as everyone else.
 
That last paragraph should be dismissable as insane hyperbole. Except I've just had a think about the interactions I've had with my own MP over the last few years, I've thought about some of what's happened in parliament in the last few years and some of the select committees I've had the misfortune to watch. I've also thought about the inherent conflicts in the ruling party (and the opposition too) and how these are (mis)managed and I've thought about the lack of appetite in parliament for electoral reform and renewal. On this basis and accepting that a percentage won't work out (and that posters from the match day thread will of course be barred from standing), I think with the support of a hopefully still functioning civil service, your proposal is entirely plausible. Which is truly insane.
 
Very few MPs do 30-40 years but get a pension after just 10 years service of £17k Try that in any other job.

Less than I expected, certainly.

I guess it depends who get booted after their party falls out of favour or are booted in a party purge. At the moment about 65 (10%) have been there 25 years, but under 30 have 30+ years.
I don't think that's that healthy really - having only 90 with more than 20 years seems quite light on experience, which probably hasn't helped the current shambles.

Fair point on the pension - didn't realise that it was 10 years for that.
 
Every organisation, private or public has 'waste'. The thing is, it's not as easy to identify and cut away as people think.

The usual approach in public services is to say 'we're taking 2% off your budget' and leave it to managers to sort out. It's not a very scientific approach, is it? The manager may find that nearly all his/her expenditure is fixed costs. He/she may not have the power actually to make the necessary economy. For example, you can't say: 'This share of the town hall I pay for is too expensive. I want to move my team to a Nissan hut in Hartlepool.'

Then there is the attitude that some public expenditure is inherently wasteful. The thing is, we don't all agree on what it is. For example, I think having 18th-century uniforms and horses for the army is not a good use of part of the defence budget. Many, many people would disagree, In fact, they would disagree strongly. However, it's only an example. You could argue that the NHS wastes money keeping over-80s alive. It's a point of view. It depends on your humanity and whether you think expenditure should have some sort of return. You could debate this sort of shit for aeons. What actually happens is that people just bumble on with whatever money/resources there are.
 
You have to hand it to Gullis - he makes it easy for people to dislike him doesn't he


When you think they can’t get any worse, the bottom just never seems to be anywhere near, in terms of them sinking towards it….

Wasn’t he a teacher? I sincerely hope he’s not allowed anywhere near a school once his fleeting association with politics is over within the next 2 years.
 
When you think they can’t get any worse, the bottom just never seems to be anywhere near, in terms of them sinking towards it….

Wasn’t he a teacher? I sincerely hope he’s not allowed anywhere near a school once his fleeting association with politics is over within the next 2 years.

He was a teacher and a trades union rep - then again 30p Lee was a Labour activist and worked at Citizens advice. Odd how one of their "attack " lines on Starmer is he is a man who cannot stick to his principles.......
 
He was a teacher and a trades union rep - then again 30p Lee was a Labour activist and worked at Citizens advice. Odd how one of their "attack " lines on Starmer is he is a man who cannot stick to his principles.......
Labour Councillor until he got found out and sacked off I think. Not sure what he can do next given how awful he is. Back in the day he would of made a great UKIP MEP candidate.
 
Raising pension age again and still 20% vat during a time of double digit inflation- The party of low taxation.
I suspect this will partly fund tax cuts, pay rises and raising of all tax thresholds just prior to the GE in a giveaway budget.
 
You have to hand it to Gullis - he makes it easy for people to dislike him doesn't he



The sad thing is that there will be millions in this country that will agree with him.

Kids are being effectively kidnapped but no one in power is giving a shit.
 
It’s absolutely staggering how little coverage this is getting. Summed up well here.

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