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Rascal said:
It really is fucking criminal that austerity was used as a cover for cutting so many of what should be essential state services. Th first duty of any Government is to keep it's citizens safe and this Government has failed every one of us. We have an army that is small and ill equipped, an Air Force that scrapped decent aeroplanes without replacements and a Navy that in my opinion relies on vanity projects rather than practicality. We do not need nuclear armed subs, we have two aircraft carriers without aeroplanes. As a side not before coronations their is usually a muster of the fleet, for King Charles its been cancelled as their are more boats on Platt Field boating Lake.
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Enlighten me as to what the naval vanity projects were and why we don't need a nuclear deterrent
 
mosssideblue said:
Enlighten me as to what the naval vanity projects were and why we don't need a nuclear deterrent
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Dominic Cummings is right – if only about Britain’s dysfunctional defence spending | Ministry of Defence | The Guardian

Boris Johnson’s senior adviser has the MoD in his sights. After wasting billions, the department urgently needs an overhaul, says defence and security writer Richard Norton-Taylor
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This article from 2019 gives more information about the carriers.
 
4% rise in council tax, so what is the added value we are receiving in return? If you are childless, then it is such a pointless tax, just paying to have you bins collected twice a month
 
BlueMoonday said:
4% rise in council tax, so what is the added value we are receiving in return? If you are childless, then it is such a pointless tax, just paying to have you bins collected twice a month
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Yep single people get penalised despite the 25% reduction. In fact single people pay singles tax in everything these days
To put it up again during a cost of living crisis is disgraceful, not sure where they think people get the money from
 
Cricket Blue said:
Yep single people get penalised despite the 25% reduction. In fact single people pay singles tax in everything these days
To put it up again during a cost of living crisis is disgraceful, not sure where they think people get the money from
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I agree mate, it is unfair on single people.
 
BlueMoonday said:
Doesn't answer the question about what added value are the tax payers receiving....
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there is no extra added value for the extra 4%, why would there be?

costs for the council will have risen in the past year, so to keep the same level of service the taxes have to rise

dont quite see what you are having trouble understanding
 
Cricket Blue said:
Yep single people get penalised despite the 25% reduction. In fact single people pay singles tax in everything these days
To put it up again during a cost of living crisis is disgraceful, not sure where they think people get the money from
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so what services do you want to cut instead of putting up the taxes

less road repairs ?
less police?
less frequent bin collections?

something else?

or perhaps the council workers should get no pay rises at all? would that be more fair?
 
pirate said:
so what services do you want to cut instead of putting up the taxes

less road repairs ?
less police?
less frequent bin collections?

something else?

or perhaps the council workers should get no pay rises at all? would that be more fair?
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I think the council services are getting worse too be honest yet they keep putting it up, especially after covid, no fucker answers the phone at Trafford. Yet they expect people to contribute more.
Like I said they are putting it up 5% - peoples wages may not have gone up by that amount yet year in year out they expect more from people.
 
What added value do I get when a tin of baked beans goes up?

All those price rises you are feeling, councils are feeling too. And given that staff wages are being held down, and at a time when many staff are being made redundant, it is arguable we are all being subsidised, and not paying the full costs.

I can't speak for other councils, but I know the one where I live (Bury) has lost 50% of central government funding in recent years. However, the government has not deleted 50% of the statutory services it must provide, by law. Banks and suchlike can economise by closing branches, but Bury Council can't cut costs by failing to provide social care in Radcliffe, for example.
 
pirate said:
there is no extra added value for the extra 4%, why would there be?

costs for the council will have risen in the past year, so to keep the same level of service the taxes have to rise

dont quite see what you are having trouble understanding
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Well usually when people put up prices theres at least some form of added value unless driven by inflation.

Odd to be content with a tax rise although some people weirdly don't mind it. Increasing costs can be off set by reducing unnecessary expenditure which there's been plenty of. Have you ever thought of that as opposed to leaving the Tax payer to pick up the tab?
 
BlueMoonday said:
I agree mate, it is unfair on single people.
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It is mate glad someone agrees with me, you pay more for everything, holidays on you own you pay a premium, food you pay more, all the goverment help is tailored towards families.
Single living should not be penalised the way it is.
 
BrianW said:
What added value do I get when a tin of baked beans goes up?

All those price rises you are feeling, councils are feeling too. And given that staff wages are being held down, and at a time when many staff are being made redundant, it is arguable we are all being subsidised, and not paying the full costs.

I can't speak for other councils, but I know the one where I live (Bury) has lost 50% of central government funding in recent years. However, the government has not deleted 50% of the statutory services it must provide, by law. Banks and suchlike can economise by closing branches, but Bury Council can't cut costs by failing to provide social care in Radcliffe, for example.
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You can choose to buy a different brand of baked beans. We are stuck with the same incompetent council who seem to hemorrhage cash.
 
Cricket Blue said:
I think the council services are getting worse too be honest yet they keep putting it up, especially after covid, no fucker answers the phone at Trafford. Yet they expect people to contribute more.
Like I said they are putting it up 5% - peoples wages may not have gone up by that amount yet year in year out they expect more from people.
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to correct all the issues with the council, they need more money.
the central govt funding to the councils is being cut (and has been for the last decade) so the difference has to be made up somehow or services deteriorate or are cut

what really needs to happen is the central govt need to increase taxes on the rich and restructure taxes so large corporations pay their fair share, so central govt can restore council fundiing to reasonable levels

as long as we have a tory govt, then public services will get worse
 
BlueMoonday said:
Well usually when people put up prices theres at least some form of added value unless driven by inflation.

Odd to be content with a tax rise although some people weirdly don't mind it. Increasing costs can be off set by reducing unnecessary expenditure which there's been plenty of. Have you ever thought of that as opposed to leaving the Tax payer to pick up the tab?
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the council tax rise is due to inflation, how do you not understand this?

the rise is less than inflation (because central govt cap the rise) so it is in fact a real terms cut
 
pirate said:
the council tax rise is due to inflation, how do you not understand this?
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I understand inflation probably better than you do. How do you not understand you can off set costs by cutting unnecessary expenditure. This is what businesses and families do when facing challenges with inflation. How do you not understand this?

You conveniently ignored this point I made to chase likes. Condescending c*nt
 
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