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Vic said:
Fire prevention has been very successful. (Charging lithium batteries while you sleep may change that.) But it's meant firefighter numbers less than half what they were when Buncefield went up. I doubt Hertfordshire FRS could now send 150 firefighters as an initial response as in 2005.

MPs' productivity is at an all-time low, especially among gone-missing Tory MPs.
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Lots of stuff to do with fire prevention has come about from building regs etc, these are not in the hands of your everyday firefighter, however a white paper is due to be released soon on the fire service, expect huge ramifications from this, much of it to prop up the nhs and police. Of course this will all be expected to be done for no extra pay!
 
Vic said:
Which meant only people with independent means could do it full-time.
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Yes, the idea of paying a wage was to allow (in theory) working-class people to be MPs. I believe the original salary was £500, a fair wedge in those days. But not an 'executive' salary.

I have an idea they always got expenses; they certainly did in the middle ages. But the main motive for being an MP was influence and social standing. It helped you 'get on'.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Lots of stuff to do with fire prevention has come about from building regs etc, these are not in the hands of your everyday firefighter, however a white paper is due to be released soon on the fire service, expect huge ramifications from this, much of it to prop up the nhs and police. Of course this will all be expected to be done for no extra pay!
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I was always suspicious of what could be behind the Police changing from a Force to a Service and Fire from a Brigade to and Rescue Service. Do you think could end up with giving fire fighters powers of arrest and Police Officers courses on taking blood samples and inserting catheters? I am only partially joking there - I wouldn't put any mad cap idea past this lot
 
bluethrunthru said:
I was always suspicious of what could be behind the Police changing from a Force to a Service and Fire from a Brigade to and Rescue Service. Do you think could end up with giving fire fighters powers of arrest and Police Officers courses on taking blood samples and inserting catheters? I am only partially joking there - I wouldn't put any mad cap idea past this lot
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Well first they will want the Fire service to respond to cardiac arrests, then it will be responding to slip trips and falls, concerns for welfare etc, they’d slowly tried bringing this in by the backdoor before I left, now I had no problem with it, IF paid for it and given proper traning and equipment.
I’ll give you an example, we got called to a woman trapped up a tree, she had tried this numerous times, it was a try at attempted suicide but also a cry for help, we attended and could not get an ambulance to come and pick her up, in the back of the pump she attempted to slash her wrists with a key, again I called for an ambulance, still nothing, I argued with a high up officer that we could drive her 5 mins up the road to Oldham Hospital so we could be released (remember for 2 hours fire cover is now down in Oldham due to us been tied up with this), me and the officer got very heated over the phone and I was told in no uncertain times what would happen to me if I did what I wanted to do. This woman was known to police and ambulance as she had numerous times attempted suicide, even her own husband wouldn’t come and get her! Eventually we handed her over to the police after 3 hours.
Now imagine this sort of thing comes in across Manchester you will have fire engines tied up on mental health jobs, cardiac arrrests (no way of transporting to hospital) and you can see fire cover becomes diluted and all to cover up failings of other serivices, oh and they want this for no extra pay, if I was still in I’d tell them to go fuck themselves. They do it in USA but are on a minimum £70-80k, us £36k!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Well first they will want the Fire service to respond to cardiac arrests, then it will be responding to slip trips and falls, concerns for welfare etc, they’d slowly tried bringing this in by the backdoor before I left, now I had no problem with it, IF paid for it and given proper traning and equipment.
I’ll give you an example, we got called to a woman trapped up a tree, she had tried this numerous times, it was a try at attempted suicide but also a cry for help, we attended and could not get an ambulance to come and pick her up, in the back of the pump she attempted to slash her wrists with a key, again I called for an ambulance, still nothing, I argued with a high up officer that we could drive her 5 mins up the road to Oldham Hospital so we could be released (remember for 2 hours fire cover is now down in Oldham due to us been tied up with this), me and the officer got very heated over the phone and I was told in no uncertain times what would happen to me if I did what I wanted to do. This woman was known to police and ambulance as she had numerous times attempted suicide, even her own husband wouldn’t come and get her! Eventually we handed her over to the police after 3 hours.
Now imagine this sort of thing comes in across Manchester you will have fire engines tied up on mental health jobs, cardiac arrrests (no way of transporting to hospital) and you can see fire cover becomes diluted and all to cover up failings of other serivices, oh and they want this for no extra pay, if I was still in I’d tell them to go fuck themselves. They do it in USA but are on a minimum £70-80k, us £36k!
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confirms my suspicions
 
Blue Maverick said:
Well first they will want the Fire service to respond to cardiac arrests, then it will be responding to slip trips and falls, concerns for welfare etc, they’d slowly tried bringing this in by the backdoor before I left, now I had no problem with it, IF paid for it and given proper traning and equipment.
I’ll give you an example, we got called to a woman trapped up a tree, she had tried this numerous times, it was a try at attempted suicide but also a cry for help, we attended and could not get an ambulance to come and pick her up, in the back of the pump she attempted to slash her wrists with a key, again I called for an ambulance, still nothing, I argued with a high up officer that we could drive her 5 mins up the road to Oldham Hospital so we could be released (remember for 2 hours fire cover is now down in Oldham due to us been tied up with this), me and the officer got very heated over the phone and I was told in no uncertain times what would happen to me if I did what I wanted to do. This woman was known to police and ambulance as she had numerous times attempted suicide, even her own husband wouldn’t come and get her! Eventually we handed her over to the police after 3 hours.
Now imagine this sort of thing comes in across Manchester you will have fire engines tied up on mental health jobs, cardiac arrrests (no way of transporting to hospital) and you can see fire cover becomes diluted and all to cover up failings of other serivices, oh and they want this for no extra pay, if I was still in I’d tell them to go fuck themselves. They do it in USA but are on a minimum £70-80k, us £36k!
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Or north west ambulance asking you to break in to a house where someone has said they can't get downstairs to let the paramedics in - then having to wait 3 hours for the paramedics to arrive.
 
BrianW said:
It was only in the early 1900s that MPs started to be paid. Prior to that, they did the job, nominally, for nothing.

This demonstrates that there are huge advantages to being an MP, apart from salary, because otherwise, no one would ever have stood for election.
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In those days it was covered by the gentry, those who already held wealth and power, and would do it to favour their higher in the pecking order. The pay-off was simple, do what I tell you and you may make the next rung. All the while, the peasants continued to work for a pittance and die early after being trounced.
 
Vic said:
Or north west ambulance asking you to break in to a house where someone has said they can't get downstairs to let the paramedics in - then having to wait 3 hours for the paramedics to arrive.
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Yep done that as well, fucking shite mate what’s happened to public services.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Does anybody think Sunak is really in charge and allowed to appoint who he wants?
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I think it was a sop to the crazy wing of the party but still his choice.

Now the latest idea of abolishing inheritance tax. How many votes will that win in 30p Lee's constituency?

How would it not cause inflation? Or is it only the working poor whose pay rises are inflationary?

Or is it just another scorched earth policy to take £7bn a year from Labour’s national recovery programme?
 
Vic said:
Did Manchester FRS take hydrant inspection off fire crews and employ contractors (paid for by cutting the safe number of 5 on a pump to 4)?
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Hydrant inspections disappeared before my time 20 years ago, however they recently came back as part of inspections for large premises, they don’t go round the streets inspecting them, there’s a whole H&S issue with doing that.
 
Vic said:
I think it was a sop to the crazy wing of the party but still his choice.

Now the latest idea of abolishing inheritance tax. How many votes will that win in 30p Lee's constituency?

How would it not cause inflation? Or is it only the working poor whose pay rises are inflationary?

Or is it just another scorched earth policy to take £7bn a year from Labour’s national recovery programme?
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£7 billion cut in revenue to benefit just 4% of the population, mostly in the Blue south where house price inflation has pulled people into IHT. Meanwhile the poor can fuck off expecting a small cut in income tax. There are also a large number of Daily Heil readers who, whilst never in a million years would reach the IHT threshold, think it’s a great idea.
The most blatant attempt to buy the election yet.
 
BrianW said:
Given that the Government has 'no money' it's amazing what pointless shit they can find money for.
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Thats why I said distraction - never gonna happen - I'd imagine there would be uproar - God only knows what they could find/unearth that would delay things at great cost. I was there a couple of years ago and the new road system they have with parking and shuttle buses is miles better than it was 20 years ago PLUS the A303 is not the main artery to the South West that it once was
 
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