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mexico1970 said:
None of that is a typical experience though is it? You are talking about students you're not talking about people who are brought in to this country to do tasks that the population living here right now don't want to do.

Considering the levels of immigration we have had over the last 30 years we should have enough people here to do the shit jobs surely?

You tell a good story but none of it is relevant at all.
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We clearly don’t and you don’t have a plan to fix it, just get angry.
 
mexico1970 said:
None of that is a typical experience though is it? You are talking about students you're not talking about people who are brought in to this country to do tasks that the population living here right now don't want to do.

Considering the levels of immigration we have had over the last 30 years we should have enough people here to do the shit jobs surely?

You tell a good story but none of it is relevant at all.
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Are you prepared to do one of those jobs instead of whatever it is you do now?
 
mexico1970 said:
None of that is a typical experience though is it? You are talking about students you're not talking about people who are brought in to this country to do tasks that the population living here right now don't want to do.

Considering the levels of immigration we have had over the last 30 years we should have enough people here to do the shit jobs surely?

You tell a good story but none of it is relevant at all.
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You assume migration is like that scene in Dad's Army where the recruits are marched into the vicars office and Mainwaring is flattened against the back wall as more and more push their way in. The FoM we had in the EU was fluid -people came people went if you were a Polish builder and the market place was flooded you were free to try your hand in Belgium or Germany. The idea you could just undercut the existing building industry and keep undercutting it was bollocks. As a builder in those circumstances yeah you could cut your own wages but then how do you live here? Materials are not something you control. Jewsons didn't do special prices on roof timbers for Poles.
If there were Romanian dentists coming here then good we need them - it takes 7 years to train one and we have depleted the places at med schools to teach them but instead we make them unwelcome and they go elsewhere ( happened twice in the last 4 years at my local practise and there are now no NHS dentists in town)
As for "doing the shit jobs" - I have 2 observations about that.
1/ How dare you say somebody is doing a shit job - ie one thats not worthwhile - who is emptying the dog shit bins in your park? Who is cleaning places of work out of hours? Are they poos saps doing shit jobs because they deserve to?
2/ Brexit was about everyone getting trained up - getting better, well paid, high tech quality jobs we were told. That is not happening as funding is cut on training etc but you still expect the shelves stacked at your supermarket - it was nothing to do with benefiting the vast majority of that population but sadly for their own outcomes they fell for the lies.
See you at the foodbank later comrade.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You assume migration is like that scene in Dad's Army where the recruits are marched into the vicars office and Mainwaring is flattened against the back wall as more and more push their way in. The FoM we had in the EU was fluid -people came people went if you were a Polish builder and the market place was flooded you were free to try your hand in Belgium or Germany. The idea you could just undercut the existing building industry and keep undercutting it was bollocks. As a builder in those circumstances yeah you could cut your own wages but then how do you live here? Materials are not something you control. Jewsons didn't do special prices on roof timbers for Poles.
If there were Romanian dentists coming here then good we need them - it takes 7 years to train one and we have depleted the places at med schools to teach them but instead we make them unwelcome and they go elsewhere ( happened twice in the last 4 years at my local practise and there are now no NHS dentists in town)
As for "doing the shit jobs" - I have 2 observations about that.
1/ How dare you say somebody is doing a shit job - ie one thats not worthwhile - who is emptying the dog shit bins in your park? Who is cleaning places of work out of hours? Are they poos saps doing shit jobs because they deserve to?
2/ Brexit was about everyone getting trained up - getting better, well paid, high tech quality jobs we were told. That is not happening as funding is cut on training etc but you still expect the shelves stacked at your supermarket - it was nothing to do with benefiting the vast majority of that population but sadly for their own outcomes they fell for the lies.
See you at the foodbank later comrade.
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That has no bearing to what I posted but cool story nonetheless.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You assume migration is like that scene in Dad's Army where the recruits are marched into the vicars office and Mainwaring is flattened against the back wall as more and more push their way in. The FoM we had in the EU was fluid -people came people went if you were a Polish builder and the market place was flooded you were free to try your hand in Belgium or Germany. The idea you could just undercut the existing building industry and keep undercutting it was bollocks. As a builder in those circumstances yeah you could cut your own wages but then how do you live here? Materials are not something you control. Jewsons didn't do special prices on roof timbers for Poles.
If there were Romanian dentists coming here then good we need them - it takes 7 years to train one and we have depleted the places at med schools to teach them but instead we make them unwelcome and they go elsewhere ( happened twice in the last 4 years at my local practise and there are now no NHS dentists in town)
As for "doing the shit jobs" - I have 2 observations about that.
1/ How dare you say somebody is doing a shit job - ie one thats not worthwhile - who is emptying the dog shit bins in your park? Who is cleaning places of work out of hours? Are they poos saps doing shit jobs because they deserve to?
2/ Brexit was about everyone getting trained up - getting better, well paid, high tech quality jobs we were told. That is not happening as funding is cut on training etc but you still expect the shelves stacked at your supermarket - it was nothing to do with benefiting the vast majority of that population but sadly for their own outcomes they fell for the lies.
See you at the foodbank later comrade.
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He has an end without knowing how to get there. It’s amazing that nobody “gets what his post was about”.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You can only keep pointing out to them what the Freedom in FoM actually meant - I think keep the acronym but call it fluidity of movement see if that sinks in.
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Why are you living in the past? It's hilarious when these open border types get their arses shown to them and they fall back on silliness.

You're in good company though, bob and the vicar of Dibley will keep you company.
 
mexico1970 said:
Why are you living in the past? It's hilarious when these open border types get their arses shown to them and they fall back on silliness.

You're in good company though, bob and the vicar of Dibley will keep you company.
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keep controlling the borders - another 3/4 of a million visa's incoming
 
bluethrunthru said:
You can only keep pointing out to them what the Freedom in FoM actually meant - I think keep the acronym but call it fluidity of movement see if that sinks in.
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He know what it meant. He wants us to cut ourselves off from everywhere and put barbed wire up around the coast and become some kind of North Korea.

Given our birth rate, we’d be absolutely screwed in a decade.

What we need in investment in infrastructure. Then people start to feel better about how life is and are happier in society.

At the moment, certain sections want to marginalise the foreign, infirm, ”lazy” etc minorities. They post nothing positive outside of it being wonderful that the monarch has restarted his job.
 
mexico1970 said:
Get a fucking plan then, just bringing more potential old people in is kicking the problem into the long grass. Somewhere down the line in this leisure laden Utopia we were sold someone must have mentioned coffee and wiping backsides.

Or we could be honest and say that socialist principles are fine as long as we can pontificate whilst all the immigrants come here and do all of our shit jobs whilst the incumbent young people have time to think about the meaning of life and what shapes their navels are.
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Didn’t Brexit have a plan?
 
mexico1970 said:
Why are you living in the past? It's hilarious when these open border types get their arses shown to them and they fall back on silliness.

You're in good company though, bob and the vicar of Dibley will keep you company.
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The person getting "their arses shown to them" here is you.
You have shown that you have no idea of the issues at play, nor any idea of the way forward, just repeating some gibberish you have heard from Yaxley-Lennon or some other tory toff.
 
mexico1970 said:
Get a fucking plan then, just bringing more potential old people in is kicking the problem into the long grass. Somewhere down the line in this leisure laden Utopia we were sold someone must have mentioned coffee and wiping backsides.

Or we could be honest and say that socialist principles are fine as long as we can pontificate whilst all the immigrants come here and do all of our shit jobs whilst the incumbent young people have time to think about the meaning of life and what shapes their navels are.
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Unfortunately, my appointment papers as Supreme Leader have not come through yet.

It is not my job to produce a plan. It is the Government's. As they haven't, you might ask yourself why. Is it because they are all secret Trotskyite plotters seeking to reduce the purity of blood of the Britischer Volk? Or is it some more down-to-earth reason?

Conservatives instinctively reject planning and prefer the market to provide solutions. I suspect this is a very good example of that.

BTW, a plan is entirely feasible in principle. What is not feasible is a plan without extra costs.
 
BrianW said:
Unfortunately, my appointment papers as Supreme Leader have not come through yet.

It is not my job to produce a plan. It is the Government's. As they haven't, you might ask yourself why. Is it because they are all secret Trotskyite plotters seeking to reduce the purity of blood of the Britischer Volk? Or is it some more down-to-earth reason?

Conservatives instinctively reject planning and prefer the market to provide solutions. I suspect this is a very good example of that.

BTW, a plan is entirely feasible in principle. What is not feasible is a plan without extra costs.
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You're asking me the same question, there should be a plan we are agreed on that. The laziness and stupidity of some people equating people showing concern over too much immigration with marching on Poland is spectacularly stupid.

That isn't a dig at you BTW, it's a dig at the idiots who invoke wee Tommy as some sort of weapon against people who don't agree with their views.

I am however yet to hear a benefit we would get from just allowing anyone in other than getting anal wipes deployed or the best coffee in town.
 
mexico1970 said:
You're asking me the same question, there should be a plan we are agreed on that. The laziness and stupidity of some people equating people showing concern over too much immigration with marching on Poland is spectacularly stupid.

That isn't a dig at you BTW, it's a dig at the idiots who invoke wee Tommy as some sort of weapon against people who don't agree with their views.

I am however yet to hear a benefit we would get from just allowing anyone in other than getting anal wipes deployed or the best coffee in town.
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dazdon said:
Also the Tories want to inhibit immigration from outside the EU.

Which is probably even more racist if they are calling the kettle black.
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More black people will be allowed into Britain if we leave the EU and immigration will become a 'non-issue', says Nigel Farage​


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Isn't more black African immigrants coming to the UK something you voted for?

How come it's now racist to treat these as baby factories?
 
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