The Conservative Party

[BobKowalski]

I don't want to get into a debate over this because as I have said, I am wasting my breath and I said I would be backing away (although I did not mean to the exclusion of ever posting ever again).

But sure, I accept the Tories have made loads of mistakes, just like Labour did and will do. I am not even a fan of the Tory party and some of them are odious, just as I find Angela Rayner odious for example.

But it's amusing what totally polarised perspective you have, as if Labour only do good things and the Tories only bad. I am rather more nuanced in my thinking. Of course our public services were better under Labour, because they spent a fuck off load of our money on them. Maybe not your money but a shed load that you didn't even notice, like them raiding your pension (estimated every private pension is £200k down on average as a result of that twat Brown's obsession with taxing anything he could find). There was an endless list of new and increased taxes.

And the state of the economy in 2010 - it seems, according to you - was entirely down to the financial crash, and nothing to do with Labour. Whereas the state of the economy now, has nothing to do with Brexit, with COVID or with 15x wholesales gas prices, but is ALL the Tories fault?

Honestly your position and rank hypocrisy is an absolute joke. But that's the standard of argument from you lot, and you wonder why I give up debating. Carry on in your ignorant fantasy land.

The Govt didn’t get much, if any, flack for Covid. They actually got some credit on vaccines. The paucity of the Brexit deal was deliberate, largely because we wanted to hock ourselves to the US, so yes they get flack for that and the drag on businesses during an already difficult time. Energy prices they got flack because they were late making their intent known, and didn’t go the windfall tax route as they did first time around. People don’t like being passed a bill, when they see companies raking in huge profits.

What else? NHS on its knees, legal system falling apart and on strike, railways ditto, now the prospect of higher mortgage rates and a PM who seems to have no clue as to what is driving the concerns of ordinary people, and none of these concerns are going to be helped by someone telling them ‘a bit less tax is the magic cure for growth, and by the way you are all a bunch of lazy shirkers’.

Weirdly, other countries have higher taxes, better services and *gasp* more growth. Think we could give their policies a try?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Reuters reporting latest You Gov poll gives Labour a 33 point lead over the cons

What!

 

[hilts]

Utter cobblers. It's simple: when did Labour borrow to fund tax cuts?

Point proven with your reply thanks

 

[bluethrunthru]

These people are leeches and scum but I don't blame them if they can make a killing as most people would do the same. I'd like to see them pay more tax on what they get but thats another story - the people to blame are the politicians who signal these moves and allow insider trading like this - indeed it is suspected that some cabinet members "sell" info for party donations

 

[Vic]

I don't want to get into a debate over this because as I have said, I am wasting my breath and I said I would be backing away (although I did not mean to the exclusion of ever posting ever again).

But sure, I accept the Tories have made loads of mistakes, just like Labour did and will do. I am not even a fan of the Tory party and some of them are odious, just as I find Angela Rayner odious for example.

But it's amusing what totally polarised perspective you have, as if Labour only do good things and the Tories only bad. I am rather more nuanced in my thinking. Of course our public services were better under Labour, because they spent a fuck off load of our money on them. Maybe not your money but a shed load that you didn't even notice, like them raiding your pension (estimated every private pension is £200k down on average as a result of that twat Brown's obsession with taxing anything he could find). There was an endless list of new and increased taxes.

And the state of the economy in 2010 - it seems, according to you - was entirely down to the financial crash, and nothing to do with Labour. Whereas the state of the economy now, has nothing to do with Brexit, with COVID or with 15x wholesales gas prices, but is ALL the Tories fault?

Honestly your position and rank hypocrisy is an absolute joke. But that's the standard of argument from you lot, and you wonder why I give up debating. Carry on in your ignorant fantasy land.

That bit about Brown and pensions wasn't very nuanced.

FactCheck: Did Gordon destroy our pensions?

Has, as George Osborne claims, Gordon Brown single-handedly destroyed the pension system?

www.channel4.com

Anyway, how brilliant to be able to tax people without them noticing.

So how come the tax burden has never been as high as it is now under these tax-cutting Tories?

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Len Rum]

Interesting that the Tory boys who've recently popped up on here want to talk only about economics.
Come on boys let's be 'avin u.
What about some issues of morality and honesty I.e.
Cummingsgate
Patersongate
Partygate
Wallpapergate ×2
Care homes
Priveleges Commitee gate ( still ongoing)
PPE Contracts

Any more for any more?
Always available for discussion at your earliest convenience.

Len

 

[Vic]

These people are leeches and scum but I don't blame them if they can make a killing as most people would do the same. I'd like to see them pay more tax on what they get but thats another story - the people to blame are the politicians who signal these moves and allow insider trading like this - indeed it is suspected that some cabinet members "sell" info for party donations

I think Swarbrick missed asking about when the meetings took place between the Chancellor and the Bank bosses....

One answer might have led to insider trading.

 

[Len Rum]

Reuters reporting latest You Gov poll gives Labour a 33 point lead over the cons

But still 21% would vote Tory!
Who are these people?
OK there's @Chippy_boy and @hgblue
But who else ?

 

[metalblue]

Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.

It’s not the tax cut that’s the issue, it’s the structural damage to government receipts and the borrowing to fund it. Debt should run at it below 77% of GDP… forgiveness is given for things like COVID and the cost of living due to the short term nature of the interventions. By the governments own admission it’s a gamble even if they see it as a gamble worth taking - that’s not the way to run the economy.