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Chippy_boy said:
The only thing that surprises me is that it's taken so long to throw the 2030 car ban out of the window.

It is patently obvious that we have nothing like the charging infrastructure in place to support a dramatic shift to electric cars, and no chance whatsoever of getting it by 2030. Just imagine the necessary upheaval to get tens of thousands of public charging points into curbside locations in our cities - the new electricity substations needed, the thousands of miles of high capacity cables that need laying under dug up roads and pavements. With 6 years to go, this is completely impossible.

So if we stick to the 2030 plan, most people will NOT buy electric cars because they are too expensive, they never save you any money and the infrasture is not there to support them. And since they could not buy petrol cars instead, new car sales in 2030 would absolutely collapse.

Sunak could never paint it in these terms because doing so would be political suicide: Labour would have a field day criticizing the government's incompetence at not getting the infrastructure in place after 13 years in power.

So he is stuffed. But that doesn't change the reality that sticking to an unachievable target which if implemented would do terrible damage, would have been madness..It had to go.

Notable that the media has not picked up on the narrative from players such as JLR saying Sunak's change is a good idea and makes sense.
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It isn’t completely impossible. Ideally, you aim hard for a chosen date and build in slippage for the inevitable delays. You may not make the date but you can get damn close if the political will is there.

Companies will respond positively and commit resources if they think the Govt is serious. They will not commit resources if the think the Govt is too weak or uncommitted - in effect it becomes a self—fulfilling prophecy. There is no drive to install the infrastructure if the date to install it is not taken seriously.

There are new technologies, new revenue streams and new opportunities in net zero. We are already behind Europe, US and China in EV plants, gigafactories etc., and the concern is the UK slipping further behind. You only have to look at the state of our railways and lack of high-speed links compared to Europe to see how our failure to invest harms us.
 
BobKowalski said:
Companies will respond positively and commit resources if they think the Govt is serious. They will not commit resources if the think the Govt is too weak or uncommitted - in effect it becomes a self—fulfilling prophecy. There is no drive to install the infrastructure if the date to install it is not taken seriously.
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The 2030 deadline WAS taken seriously and yet look at where we are. There is hardly any curbside charging available in any town. Heatpump installations remain at pitiful levels because they are too expensive, and don't work with any modern microbore central heating system, i e. Anything installed in the last 40 years.

The hard fact is we were never going to have the charging infrastructure in place by 2030. You can debate or moan all you like about whose fault that is - and doubtless you will - but it doesn't change the fact. Stan cannot have babies even if he changes his name to Loretta.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The 2030 deadline WAS taken seriously and yet look at where we are. There is hardly any curbside charging available in any town. Heatpump installations remain at pitiful levels because they are too expensive, and don't work with any modern microbore central heating system, i e. Anything installed in the last 40 years.

The hard fact is we were never going to have the charging infrastructure in place by 2030. You can debate or moan all you like about whose fault that is - and doubtless you will - but it doesn't change the fact. Stan cannot have babies even if he changes his name to Loretta.
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Don't think there will be much debate on who to blame on this forum
 
ganganvince said:
Don't think there will be much debate on who to blame on this forum
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Hahahaha, you're not wrong.

Honestly I couldn't give a toss about the news. I had no intention of buying an electric car anyway. And I think the idea that our pissy little island contributing less than 1% of the world's (man-made) CO2 output should be a "world leader" was always such an utterly shite strategy anyway. The Empire is gone, it's over and we need to get our heads around the new pecking order and stop with our delusions of grandeur. It's embarrassing. We need to "do our bit" and no more.
 
Rishi is cutting back these green policies?? Why? Will it save us money? The cheapest energy is Green energy??

So this will help our cost of living crisis?? We are going shopping this morning so I will see a decrease in my shopping bill, no?? Thought not. They should link him to my heating system - all hot air and bullsh1t.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Hahahaha, you're not wrong.

Honestly I couldn't give a toss about the news. I had no intention of buying an electric car anyway. And I think the idea that our pissy little island contributing less than 1% of the world's (man-made) CO2 output should be a "world leader" was always such an utterly shite strategy anyway. The Empire is gone, it's over and we need to get our heads around the new pecking order and stop with our delusions of grandeur. It's embarrassing. We need to "do our bit" and no more.
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Nothing to do with our standing. It isn't because the targets were too difficult to meet,they weren't, the car companys are telling us it wasn't. It isn't for innovation, growth or investment reasons this will take away incentive for some of that.


"Billions of pounds has already been invested across multiple industries, including car makers and energy firms, in preparation of the previous deadlines.

Korean carmaker Kia, which has plans to launch nine new electric vehicles over the next few years, said the announcement was disappointing as it "alters complex supply chain negotiations and product planning, whilst potentially contributing to consumer and industry confusion".

The chief executive of energy company E.On, Chris Norbury, said it was a "misstep on many levels", adding that it was a "false argument" to suggest green policies can only come at a cost."

"We risk condemning people to many more years of living in cold and draughty homes that are expensive to heat, in cities clogged with dirty air from fossil fuels, missing out on the economic regeneration this ambition brings," Mr Norbury said.



It was purely self interest attempt to win back some votes it a last gamble before an election year. A gamble that will fail and most likely lose him more votes.
 
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