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johnnytapia said:
The fact it ends up at the doctors’ doorstep is akin to how the police end up dealing with so many mental health issues.

People, rightly or wrongly, think the doctor has to treat them. That, unlike the dentist, he/she doesn’t have a choice. And, nearly everyone is signed up to a GP.

It’s why A&E is rammed with non-emergencies- you might have to wait but you’re guaranteed to be seen.

It’s economical madness. We plough billions into treating people who’ve jumped off the cliff rather than preventing them from getting to that summit in the first place.

The fact that caries remains the most common reason for hospital admissions in children aged between six and ten years - and that rates for children and young people living in the most deprived communities are nearly 3.5 times that of those living in the most affluent should be a matter of national shame.
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When you consider prevention though why do people instantly think that the NHS is at fault? Why does the NHS have to prevent and treat every single ailment, why do we not take responsibility for our own health? The biggest contributing factor just for example with the majority of ailments and especially the leading causes of death is alcohol and smoking which are self-inflicted.

Tooth decay is prevented by brushing your teeth and not eating tons of sugar. This fact isn't changed by regular dental appointments. Dentists treat decay, they don't prevent it. Tooth decay is non-existent in places in Africa where dentists aren't even available.

The real question you should be asking on the welfare of children is where are the parents?
 
Every day when I wake up I check the news to see if the **** has called an election yet.

Every day I’m disappointed.

They will drag it out as long as possible but it will only hurt them more. They are smoked. Even my mum who has voted Tory 40+ years straight has agreed she’s sitting this one out.

Call an election and put us out of our misery you absolute reprobates.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Every day when I wake up I check the news to see if the **** has called an election yet.

Every day I’m disappointed.

They will drag it out as long as possible but it will only hurt them more. They are smoked. Even my mum who has voted Tory 40+ years straight has agreed she’s sitting this one out.

Call an election and put us out of our misery you absolute reprobates.
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They have a few more months left to sabotage the country and make deals that will feather their own nests yet so expect it to be called at the very last possible moment.

The cunts.
 
inbetween said:
When you consider prevention though why do people instantly think that the NHS is at fault? Why does the NHS have to prevent and treat every single ailment, why do we not take responsibility for our own health? The biggest contributing factor just for example with the majority of ailments and especially the leading causes of death is alcohol and smoking which are self-inflicted.

Tooth decay is prevented by brushing your teeth and not eating tons of sugar. This fact isn't changed by regular dental appointments. Dentists treat decay, they don't prevent it. Tooth decay is non-existent in places in Africa where dentists aren't even available.

The real question you should be asking on the welfare of children is where are the parents?
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All good points and I see the impact of shite parenting every day in my job - kids with chronic tooth decay; kids bringing in packed lunches that often consist of little more than sugary shite; kids not just overweight but morbidly obese. And we (school and teachers) are expected to implement various “programmes” and “strategies” to combat such issues.

I’ve driven a parent to Tesco with her son - he couldn’t see the books he was given to read and she refused to book an optician appointment. So I made one at the nearest Tesco, one hour later he had his new glasses and, hey presto, could read his books. Now, should I be doing that? No. Did it help the lad? Yes. The alternative is a poor lad completely ostracised from lessons due to shite parenting.

Would more dentists help - possibly.
 
johnnytapia said:
All good points and I see the impact of shite parenting every day in my job - kids with chronic tooth decay; kids bringing in packed lunches that often consist of little more than sugary shite; kids not just overweight but morbidly obese. And we (school and teachers) are expected to implement various “programmes” and “strategies” to combat such issues.

I’ve driven a parent to Tesco with her son - he couldn’t see the books he was given to read and she refused to book an optician appointment. So I made one at the nearest Tesco, one hour later he had his new glasses and, hey presto, could read his books. Now, should I be doing that? No. Did it help the lad? Yes. The alternative is a poor lad completely ostracised from lessons due to shite parenting.

Would more dentists help - possibly.
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To consider the flipside of this, I'm not a parent (yet) but the one thing I see in a lot of our friends is that parents don't have the luxury of time. Some people can be shite parents but some aren't and it genuinely sometimes isn't their fault. Either way teachers shouldn't be made responsible for cleaning up that mess.

The loss of time is probably the biggest negative change that has happened to families over the last 30 years. It is now financially impossible for example for a wife or partner to stay at home and look after the kids. Both parents have to work full time and neglect probably creeps in easily such as going for convenience foods and perhaps not being able to give kids the time they need.

Reform is desperately needed here in terms of policies like childcare because some think that childcare and its associated costs are a problem for poor people but that isn't true at all. I work at a company that pays decent money and my mate gave up working Fridays because the childcare costs outweighed his wage. Imagine the lost productivity hours over the whole country if everyone did the same.

These are the kind of conversations that should be happening in politics so that things can be improved away from party lines but unfortunately sensibility went out of the window many years ago.
 
inbetween said:
When you consider prevention though why do people instantly think that the NHS is at fault? Why does the NHS have to prevent and treat every single ailment, why do we not take responsibility for our own health? The biggest contributing factor just for example with the majority of ailments and especially the leading causes of death is alcohol and smoking which are self-inflicted.

Tooth decay is prevented by brushing your teeth and not eating tons of sugar. This fact isn't changed by regular dental appointments. Dentists treat decay, they don't prevent it. Tooth decay is non-existent in places in Africa where dentists aren't even available.

The real question you should be asking on the welfare of children is where are the parents?
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The problem with poor parenting is that it's a lot more difficult to fix.

It reminds me of the gun/mental health argument in the US. You get lots of gun advocates saying it's a mental health issue, not a gun problem. My reply would always be, "ok, let's fix mental health. Where do we start?" Clearly it's many degrees more complex than gun legislation, and it's the same with parenting. The right in this country will tell us it's all about personal responsibility, but that doesn't solve the problem.

Dental appointments for young kids are all about telling them how to brush, and spotting if they're missing areas, or not doing it enough. They talk to the parents and it's a 'contract' to come back in 6 months with better teeth.

I'd be happy with the Labour proposal to teach/brush kids teeth in schools. It's obviously 'nanny state'. but it helps save money on NHS/Dental costs. Kids will tell/guilt their parents, and hopefully it becomes a habit, and when those kids grow up they're better placed to teach their kids.
 
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