The Conservative Party

I agree that we really don't know.

I would argue that the old "truth" that PR would always lock out the Tories, was blown away in 2010 by the Lib Dems.

There have also been plenty of elections recently, where the "progressive alliance", even including the Lib Dems didn't significantly outvote the more reactionary/right wing parties, so I don't buy the argument that PR would have kept out the Tories.

I think the lib dems have always regretted that coalition decision. Anyhow I suppose this is all guesswork and Starmer won't do anything once he is behind the desk. This makes him somewhat of a **** tbh.

The only thing we can say if people are being honest is that fptp is grossly unfair and hasn't served us well.
 
Ah, I was going on about 2019, but either way, as people would have voted differently, hung parliaments that couldn’t get anything through would be the likely result of both elections.

Other countries manage okay it seems. At the end of the day which is fairer 10% of the votes gets you 10% of the seats or 43% of the votes gets you a bloody huge majority and you can be as shit as shit can be.
 
I think the lib dems have always regretted that coalition decision. Anyhow I suppose this is all guesswork and Starmer won't do anything once he is behind the desk. This makes him somewhat of a **** tbh.

The only thing we can say if people are being honest is that fptp is grossly unfair and hasn't served us well.
Absolutely - however, in 2017 they ruled out any kind of agreement with Labour, so I think a Theresa May minority Govt would have been the most likely outcome.

I agree about fptp though.
 
Absolutely - however, in 2017 they ruled out any kind of agreement with Labour, so I think a Theresa May minority Govt would have been the most likely outcome.

I agree about fptp though.

It was very close in 2017 it would have been interesting because the Lib Dems wouldn't have gone with the tories.
 
It was very close in 2017 it would have been interesting because the Lib Dems wouldn't have gone with the tories.
They also ruled out anything with Labour - and Farron had been more ambiguous about May than he had been about not liking Corbyn.
 
It generally does though. I’m not against PR, but all it would really do is make the extremes more relevant.

As I’ve said in the Netherlands thread. It only makes them relevant if they are willing to compromise. Which they never are.

I would argue the extremes are way more relevant in FPTP because they have a much stronger influence on the main parties who don’t want to see voter attrition to the swivel-eyed loons.

In a PR system, the Rwanda policy simply isn’t a thing.
 

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