The Conservative Party

[jim tolmies perm]

The point Damo was making is that because of where a fact or message come from is enough for an idealogue to rant at even if the fact no matter how vague is actually true.

They will totally ignore the truth and place an embargo on common sense just for that fact nugget, they will just shout at the moon because of where the message comes from, it's like if they believe the fact then they will then think like the person they hate, considering how many people these types hate at one time you can assume that they are pretty close minded after they tell their brains not to listen.

Don't like him
Can't believe her
Wont like him
Can't believe her

Isn't political discourse or indeed a conversation it's a child sticking its finger in its ears and chanting some slogan to drown out the hurty noise.

Furthermore my point was aimed at Bob who came out the traps like an Alsatian at a finger buffet.

Yes I get all that so the point is generally headed in the direction of mutual exclusiveness . To illustrate this I know people who believe in science and are anti Vax for different reasons. One is a nut job conspiracy theorist and gets off on a vain attempt to appear intellectually superior. Another mate had a dad who worked at AZ and was hell bent on venting his spleen against the company for the way he was treated even though he was receiving very generous remuneration in the shape of his pension. These are things I can deal with sensibly and rationally.
Jones' position is deliberately insidious and provocative.

 

[mexico1970]

Yes I get all that so the point is generally headed in the direction of mutual exclusiveness . To illustrate this I know people who believe in science and are anti Vax for different reasons. One is a nut job conspiracy theorist and gets off on a vain attempt to appear intellectually superior. Another mate had a dad who worked at AZ and was hell bent on venting his spleen against the company for the way he was treated even though he was receiving very generous remuneration in the shape of his pension. These are things I can deal with sensibly and rationally.
Jones' position is deliberately insidious and provocative.

Most ideologues are nutters mate, whatever side of the street they walk on. Flat earthers anti vaxxers all more clever than anyone else because we don't think it through. We all know one or two who howl at the cheese covered moon.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Most ideologues are nutters mate, whatever side of the street they walk on. Flat earthers anti vaxxers all more clever than anyone else because we don't think it through. We all know one or two who howl at the cheese covered moon.

What about people that think that Mumsnet is a threat to society? Are they ideologues?

 

[Chris in London]

Now you'll have to guide the poor cherubs through the minefield of lateral thinking after you kick the hate crutch away from them and they sway on the precipice of becoming something they hate by association.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Chris in London]

I think, respectfully, the whole commentary here on Alex Jones sort of misses the point of why the “they’re turning the frogs gay” thing is a meme and has popular cultural relevance in the first place.

It’s not the ‘frogs’ bit, it’s the ‘they’re’ bit.

Nobody knows or frankly cares about the factual accuracy of whether the frogs are actually becoming gay - maybe some zoologists, but not your average man on the street. The part that people are ridiculing is that Jones has taken this credible study as proof that the government is deliberately putting things in the water with the mendacious intent of causing harm or… making people gay. Which is, of course, absurd.

It is an example of a right wing commentator taking something with some factual basis and completely twisting it to crowbar the results into their myopic worldview that we’re being oppressed by a global conspiracy.

So to be like “actually, I think you’ll find the frogs really are becoming gay” is a bit like… okay fine… but that wasn’t the point anybody was making.

That wasn't how I read Damocles' post, which referenced Jones' ridiculous take on that particular fact as an example of people rejecting the underlying science simply because they dislike the use disingenuous frauds like Jones make of it. That is why it is so important to distinguish between what is fact and what is opinion.

The science, as I understand it, has to be accepted head on. The interpretations that loons like him put on it do not.

 

[city2]

Should be called the delusional party they haven’t got a chance of winning general election, 2 weeks after they lose they will be screaming at the Labour Party for fucking this country up.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Should be called the delusional party they haven’t got a chance of winning general election, 2 weeks after they lose they will be screaming at the Labour Party for fucking this country up.

They’ve been doing that for the past 100 years to be fair.

 

[Vic]

That wasn't how I read Damocles' post, which referenced Jones' ridiculous take on that particular fact as an example of people rejecting the underlying science simply because they dislike the use disingenuous frauds like Jones make of it. That is why it is so important to distinguish between what is fact and what is opinion.

The science, as I understand it, has to be accepted head on. The interpretations that loons like him put on it do not.

Anyway, does this mean Jones now thinks biological sex isn't clear cut? Or is he still transphobic while looking at trans porn?

 

[Chris in London]

Anyway, does this mean Jones now thinks biological sex isn't clear cut? Or is he still transphobic while looking at trans porn?

Dunno.

But he's a tosser who nonetheless correctly identified that today is Monday.

 

[stonerblue]

Dunno.

But he's a tosser who nonetheless correctly identified that today is Monday.

Whatnow? Monday...? Ffs.....