The Conservative Party

inbetween said:
They almost certainly will have a chance. Labour won a majority from a low turnout and an election where the opposition was split. More people voted Tory+Reform than did Labour.

If the Tories bring in a figure who can unite the right then Reform are made pointless and much of that vote will go to the Tories.

The real question is whether the votes of those people who voted Lib Dem instead of Tory will be lost forever but I doubt it'll make as much of a difference as the votes lost to Reform.
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But Reform voters weren't Tories.

Labour did appear to win some extra seats because of Reform, but they would still have had a huge majority. The significant majority of Reform voters said they'd have voted for other parties, or not voted, if Reform weren't standing.

Unless we get to leave the EU again, I don't see any coalition that brings together a majority of Tories, and a majority of Reform voters.
 
bluenova said:
But Reform voters weren't Tories.

Labour did appear to win some extra seats because of Reform, but they would still have had a huge majority. The significant majority of Reform voters said they'd have voted for other parties, or not voted, if Reform weren't standing.

Unless we get to leave the EU again, I don't see any coalition that brings together a majority of Tories, and a majority of Reform voters.
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Leaving the ECHR will be their collective crusade.
 
law74 said:
Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the vast majority of the electorate are in the centre ground and the choice of the blue rinse brigade is what shade of darkest blue do they want to lead them?
Many thousands of centre right voters who haven't already deserted the self servatives will judging by the choice of leader they have.
Currently 121 MP's, don't be surprised if that halves after the next GE
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The country may sit somewhere in the centre but that's only if you consider the country as voting on general issues but that isn't how people vote. Brexit proved that the country does not sit in any single place on any issue. It's actually almost impossible to sit in the centre on some issues such as immigration.

The right should be treated with peril because they will do well and their causes will grow with forces such as Farage in Parliament. Starmer does not want to answer these concerns and that is a risk given he had relatively limited support at the last election where he won seats but not necessarily that many votes.

Labour's polling has collapsed to 28% and if you add the Tories and Reform polling together their joint polling is 47%. How on earth would this at the very least not result in a Tory+Reform government if an election was held today given what we know about the likely future Tory leader?
 
TinFoilHat said:
Leaving the ECHR will be their collective crusade.
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They might try, but it's a poor tribute act compared with leaving the EU.

It has almost no effect on anyone's day to day life, and it would be a huge stretch to convince anyone otherwise. It can get people worked up occasionally, but there's no way you can spin it as being the cause of mass immigration.
 
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