The Conservative Party

[Fame Monster]

It says nothing about their impartiality.

whichever paper they had chosen would have had some political slant.

The impartiality they're being accused of though is pretty much that they're Guardianista, metropolitan types who are out of touch with the average person.

It's a minor point but would have been better rebutted imo with an open letter rather than writing a letter to the house publication.

 

[Rascal]

but what happens when you are down to your last van Goch?

I really do think some of these people expect council houses in Wythenshawe to have a gallery room for their Van Gogh's, Renoir and Lowry originals, a room for a vast collection of Royal Worcester, Moorcroft and Poole pottery, a music room for their collection of Stradivarius and Gibson strings, private dressing rooms for each member of the family stocked with Gucci, Prada and little Tommy's Stone Island, servant quarters with room for a Butler, chambermaid, chauffeur and cook and a garage outside with a Rolls Royce, six vintage Ferraris and a Jensen Interceptor plus little Tommy's top of the range 4x4 Porsche Cayenne. Of course each council house will have en suite bathrooms with gold taps and there will be a jacuzzi and steam room. The dining room will have seating for 40 people and at one end will be 65ft wide TV and after dinner the men will retire for a King Edward cigar whilst the ladies ready themselves for the dancing in the ballroom. I wont mention the Stables of 100 acres of land, the Olympic size swimming pool because that would be impossible to get on Universal Credit. The piss taking cunts.

 

[CTID Chris]

I find the outrage surrounding free meals for kids absurd. You vote Tories in, you get the Tories. They aren’t doing anything wrong and should stand by their principles and ideology. If you want a left or Labour policy, don’t vote for the Tories.

It’s the same as it has been for the past 10 years, and how it will be for the next 5. And not providing meals over holidays this year won’t affect results of the next GE.

 

[bluemoon32]

Why did they win the three before that?

Is the answer ...because the UK is full of cunts ?

 

[Zuriblue]

Is the answer ...because the UK is full of cunts ?

Nah. They don't have the warmth or the depth.

 

[Zuriblue]

4, 5, 6 days on and some Tories are still fighting their rearguard over free school dinners.
Those who are are playing hard on the "feckless poor" angle, with a mixture of "we need to spend carefully".

On the first, let them die on that hill - the current economics have brought far more people close to that place to see that "it could happen here/to me".
On the second, they're gifting open goals to Starmer to enquire about Serco's £7K consultants, Westminster refurbishment and wingnut welfare of the revolving door.

I get the impression that Cummings has lost control of this particular narrative.
Maybe (hopefully) he's planning to bail out with Boris.

 

[Phil1]

Is the answer ...because the UK is full of cunts ?

Its the answer to a lot of questions at the moment.
Still, there's still plenty of good cunts about so all hope isn't quite lost. Might just take a generation or two to address the balance.

 

[pirate]

I find the outrage surrounding free meals for kids absurd. You vote Tories in, you get the Tories. They aren’t doing anything wrong and should stand by their principles and ideology. If you want a left or Labour policy, don’t vote for the Tories.

It’s the same as it has been for the past 10 years, and how it will be for the next 5. And not providing meals over holidays this year won’t affect results of the next GE.

I see your point, if you vote for cunts you get cunts in power.

its just that in extraordinary times (such as this) it is hoped that the cunts show some empathy.
It doesnt surprise me that they have not but it does disappoint me.

 

[CTID Chris]

I see your point, if you vote for cunts you get cunts in power.

its just that in extraordinary times (such as this) it is hoped that the cunts show some empathy.
It doesnt surprise me that they have not but it does disappoint me.

Yeah, you might hope so. But they have no reason to. They won a massive majority and frankly should govern based on the morals and ideology for which they were elected.

Sorry, this is coming from a lefty. It’s a little difficult to stomach the reaction to this despite the previous election result.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I see your point, if you vote for cunts you get cunts in power.

its just that in extraordinary times (such as this) it is hoped that the cunts show some empathy.
It doesnt surprise me that they have not but it does disappoint me.

It shouldn't surprise anyone - the cabinet has people who in previous lives were in think tanks and wrote papers on how the British working class were lazy and feckless and how the reintroduction of poor houses for serious debtors was a good idea ( though I am sure they would be limited to poor people who couldn't pay CT not Giles at their club who just went under when his business failed and he was left owing millions to small businesses but he's a solid stand up chap - he needs not to go to the poor house so he can start up a new business )

 

[Blue Hefner]

Yeah, you might hope so. But they have no reason to. They won a massive majority and frankly should govern based on the morals and ideology for which they were elected.

Sorry, this is coming from a lefty. It’s a little difficult to stomach the reaction to this despite the previous election result.

“What did you think would happen?” Would have been a good headline this morning

The Tories aren’t shy about this sort of stuff. It’s all there, for those that look

 

[pirate]

Yeah, you might hope so. But they have no reason to. They won a massive majority and frankly should govern based on the morals and ideology for which they were elected.

Sorry, this is coming from a lefty. It’s a little difficult to stomach the reaction to this despite the previous election result.

I disagree with you there.
I dont think they were elected based on any morality or ideology they believe in
They were elected based upon getting brexit over the line and that was it. (happy to talk about what drives brexit in a different thread)
The rest was not defined by their manifesto or their public declarations. The manifesto contradicted itself in numerous places, as did the speeches given and articles written by their candidates.

I think there was enough ambiguity to allow some hope that they might do the "right thing" in the extraordinary circumstances, even if not done for the right reasons.
However they have proven themselves to be absolute cunts, which is disappointing.

The only thing we can do until the next general election is point out what they are doing wrong, point out what they should be doing and try and mitigate the effects their decisions have on the most vulnerable in society through local government and Direct action (charity etc)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Is the answer ...because the UK is full of cunts ?

Best you quit the UK then, try somewhere where your cuntometer registers
cunts more acceptable to your ideology.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Nah. They don't have the warmth or the depth.

But they do have the sense to avoid the pricks.

 

[bluemoon32]

Best you quit the UK then, try somewhere where your cuntometer registers
cunts more acceptable to your ideology.

Nah, let the cunts leave

 

[Rascal]

I find the outrage surrounding free meals for kids absurd. You vote Tories in, you get the Tories. They aren’t doing anything wrong and should stand by their principles and ideology. If you want a left or Labour policy, don’t vote for the Tories.

It’s the same as it has been for the past 10 years, and how it will be for the next 5. And not providing meals over holidays this year won’t affect results of the next GE.

The problem is the Tory party was an ideological vacuum that has now been infiltrated by a mix of libertarian cranks and little Englander nationalists. It is a potent mix of nonsense with a big dollop of stupidity on top with a side dish of dishonesty and immorality garnished with a sprinkling of self entitled engrandisment. Have a look at how many Tories now consider themselves Classical Liberals, a term that basically means "selfish ****". The Tory party is a heady mix of fucking lunatics, free market extremists, rabble rousing populists and Victorian England throwbacks.

There was a time when one nation Conservatism was decent, honest, believed in social cohesion and bought into the post WW2 social consensus. The change started under Thatcher when the first the free marketeers grabbed power and the Libertarian individualists came to prominence, Thatcher herself stated there was no such thing as society. The UK changed, the Welfare state was undermined, the power of the Unions was smashed, the State was deemed bad, the private sector was good. That belief in the Private sector over the power of the state has led the state being shrunk so far it barely exists in comparison to normal European levels and everything is now about free markets and individual over collective freedoms.

These are not principles, they are ideological machinations aimed at the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, the poorest paid the highest price for austerity and the Tories have happily applied Socialist ideals to their friends in the city, whilst at the same time warning of the evils of Socialism and the advancement of Cultural Marxism.

The Tories were once a party that I didn't agree with but saw merit in their ideas, now they are a party I disagree with and think have been taken over by some oddball creatures from outer space who have had an empathy bypass.

This particular government has managed something i never ever expected though, they have managed to make me hate them more than i hate Thatcher, at least with the witch for all her cuntishness was honest and straight with people, this current mob are the biggest bunch of shysters, con artists, liars, thieves and corrupt bunch of immoral shallow nasty cunts that have ever graced the HoC.

 

[hilts]

I see your point, if you vote for cunts you get cunts in power.

its just that in extraordinary times (such as this) it is hoped that the cunts show some empathy.
It doesnt surprise me that they have not but it does disappoint me.

The general theme of poverty has been around for well ever really and certainly it was being highlighted more due to the banking crisis and austerity. Now we have the pandemic.

For me this is a simple question of do we provide enough welfare to those who need it the most. This is a question of the benefit system ie universal credit. The left have been down this path almost non stop for a very long time. We still have a Tory govt.

I believe the reason why some Tories are against the idea of a govt feeding kids in this way is that there will never be a point when they can remove it without another shit show. It also opens the door to other things that kids need.

I have no idea how effective universal credit is but this particular problem should be covered by it.

As the Tories brought in universal credit my inkling is it's probably badly flawed.

 

[bluethrunthru]

As the Tories brought in universal credit my inkling is it's probably badly flawed.

Given the "brains" behind it you may be onto something....................

 

[Rascal]

The general theme of poverty has been around for well ever really and certainly it was being highlighted more due to the banking crisis and austerity. Now we have the pandemic.

For me this is a simple question of do we provide enough welfare to those who need it the most. This is a question of the benefit system ie universal credit. The left have been down this path almost non stop for a very long time. We still have a Tory govt.

I believe the reason why some Tories are against the idea of a govt feeding kids in this way is that there will never be a point when they can remove it without another shit show. It also opens the door to other things that kids need.

I have no idea how effective universal credit is but this particular problem should be covered by it.

As the Tories brought in universal credit my inkling is it's probably badly flawed.

The premise behind it is a good one, the man who designed is a grade A imbecile who makes Grayling look like a genius.

It is riddled with flaws which were either ignored or not even considered, such was the paucity of thinking and downright ignorance of the designer of the system. It can be cruel and heartless and bears no relevance to actual life when if it had been done properly and the flaws and needless penny pinching addressed it would have been a decent system.

The tories use "targeting those who need it most" to cut from those who need it less. It is a difficult point to argue against because nobody would argue that those who needed it most should not receive it, but by doing welfare this way it loses its universalist principle and eventually leads to means testing. This undermines the whole premise of the Welfare state, which in effect means to Fare Well in times of hardship, by selecting who receives support and who receives less support based on arbitrary terminology decided by bureaucrats with no real life experience. For the example the 5 week wait for a payment, plunges people straight into debt, it was done because it was assumed that people leaving work would get paid notice and holiday pay etc, which of course is not always the case. Wefare in the past was paid in advance now it is in arrears. This was supposed to mirror pay packets and actually work but life is not always that simple and UC is too rigid to adapt.

The architect of it IDS is an extremely arrogant man, who supposedly made it his life mission to eradicate poverty and reliance on welfare, what has happened though is he has fucked the system up, walked away and left it an even worse state than when he started. He is another Minister employed way above his competence and another minister who lies, cheats and cons the public. Only this time he actually hurts people and UC and his other reforms have been blamed for causing hundreds of deaths, of course you will never read about this, because the Libertarian cranks think you can eat your floorboards and not starve.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Shameful parade on Twitter of Tory MP's - Javid and (not so ) Cleverly most prominent claiming that that Labour have an issue with successful BAME MP's and Ministers.......unfortunately failing to recognise Labour has more than the Tory Party - deflection, if its to work, has to be harder to see through than that?

When is French Mark up before the beak?