The Conservative Party

Ok, cool. Now what are you going to do about the parents who let their kids get in that position, or allow their kids to get in that state so they can spend the money on other things?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that your default position is that all (or at least a significant amount of) parents who struggles to find enough money to put food on the table are a) deserving of punishment and b) spending their money on frivolous luxuries instead.

Whilst I am sure that applies in a small amount of despicable cases, that's some unbelievably detailed insight into the spending patterns of families - seemingly based on assumption and your perception of others, rather than data.
 
Seriously? You object to calling Tories scum for voting for children to go hungry? How does corrupt scum sound? £30m for one consultant? All normal procurement out of the window and contracts to mates and relatives?
You have to look at the circumstances of the vote. I’m not an expert on commons procedure but they rushed this through without proper warning and the vote against was not “scum” in action but a govt who have to put our best interests at heart and I have every faith that they would always vote (in the right circumstances) for feeding the kids. They actually did so if you check by continuing pre-school meals and midday meals after the first lockdown...
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that your default position is that all (or at least a significant amount of) parents who struggles to find enough money to put food on the table are a) deserving of punishment and b) spending their money on frivolous luxuries instead.

Whilst I am sure that applies in a small amount of despicable cases, that's some unbelievably detailed insight into the spending patterns of families - seemingly based on assumption and your perception of others, rather than data.

Even if it were true that some of these kids are suffering because their parents are spending all the money on other stuff, why does that even matter?

Why are we punishing children for having shit parents? How does saying "shame on the parents" help some 8 year old who's hungry because their dad spent all the money?
 
First instinct would be yes and outside of child abuse it’s a solid position but school dinners out of term time is a diversion. Like tampax poverty or hygiene poverty which are nonsense as campaigns the truth is some people are fucking skint, let’s deal with that maybe?
Oh, absolutely mate. But eradicating all poverty isn't a realistic target any time soon, particularly given the current government, so I guess smaller, more specific campaigns like this can still make a tangible difference to people's lives.
 
Millions of kids meals were subsided regardless of family income during the eat out to help out scheme , suddenly when it comes to helping the poorest kids in society the Tories are affronted by it , I’d say scum is a pretty accurate description.
 
The grasping of straws by the odd Tory still fighting the good fight on here is pitiful to read.
It’s a party full of cunts voted for by more cunts and the sad fact is they win elections because the country now has more cunts than ever.
What a sad indictment of the times we live in that even something relatively simple to push through, which would show the Tories to be a little bit human at least, was voted against and done so with little care of how it comes across to the general public.
They honestly don’t give two fucks about the less well off. Not one tiny bit. It’s a truly sad state of affairs.
 
Even if it were true that some of these kids are suffering because their parents are spending all the money on other stuff, why does that even matter?

Why are we punishing children for having shit parents? How does saying "shame on the parents" help some 8 year old who's hungry because their dad spent all the money?

we shouldn't punish kids for having shit parents. We should resolve the issue of shit parenting and stop children having shit parents.
 
What bullshit did they publish about him?
Every Labour leader in my lifetime has been crucified in the media, because the media is over 90% right wing and has vested interests in the continuation of capitalist excess because their owners are capitalists.

We have one newspaper that is owned by the readership, I own a small percentage of that newspaper, the Morning Star.

You only have to look at the political discourse dominated by the proliferation of right wing think tanks based around Tufton Street to see an unalloyed campaign against anything that has even a whiff of Socialism. Corbyn being a Socialist was the antithesis to everything these mysteriously owned think tanks idealise about.

I could go into the continuous racist slurs, I could go into the caricatures, I could go on about magic money trees and I could go on and on about him being Anti British, anti Nato, anti Western but none of that is really of importance compared to the fact he had some ideas on how to curb capitalist excess and that scared the living daylights out of the capitalist class. They try everything they can to discredit Labour from the ridiculous anti semitic conspiracy theory of Cultural Marxism to the new identity politics moniker. which are all designed to dilute the message that Socialism might be a good choice for the working class to make, so ridicule , lambast, lampoon and whatever other propaganda tool they can find they will use to discredit Socialism. It become commonplace to label Corbyn as a Marxist, Mcdonell was a Marxist, spouted as though the political philiosophy of a dead man was an indicator that these people wanted to ruin your lives and turn the UK in to the Soviet Union. The lines are Socialism and Democracy are incompatible such is the desperation of the capitalist class to hang on to their vestiges of power, wealth and influence. These myths go unchallenged because the media is RW dominated and you get fed a daily diet of how wonderful capitalism is. The very same capitalism that has had a footballer campaign to feed kids whilst the capitalist class enjoyed free meals on the back of the Chancellor's largesse.

The past two decades have witnessed a barrage of propaganda against Marxism and its revolutionary heritage. Since the collapse of Stalinism – not socialism, but a monstrously deformed caricature of Marxism - from one front to another the mainstream media, universities, professors and historians have gone on the offensive to discredit Marxism. Lets examine here the most common myths about Marxism and socialism.

The Stalinist regimes in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, China, and elsewhere are the most commonly used resource for attacking Marxism. Many of the misconceptions about Marxism can be linked quite clearly with the establishment of the first workers’ government in the world with a clear revolutionary programme – that of the Russian Bolsheviks. The October Revolution of 1917 is described merely as a ’coup’ and no expense is spared to equate Marxism with the crimes of Stalin.It cannot be denied that these Stalinist regimes had an enormous bureaucratic caste at the top of society and lacked any basic democratic rights. Such historical examples are used to “prove” that socialism and democracy are completely incompatible. Study of the Russian Revolution, however, and it reveals a flourishing of society after the end of the revolution: the decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion; introduction of free universal healthcare and education; a booming economy and giant leaps forward in science and culture.


Many of the gains of the Revolution were rolled back under Stalin; but this process of degeneration into a totalitarian regime was not the inevitable result of Marxism – as the capitalist class and their mouthpieces would have us believe – but the result of attempting to build a socialist society in an isolated and economically backward country. We should also take a look at what democracy looks like under capitalism. Looking around the world today, where - despite crisis in the economy and austerity across the globe – the rich get richer, it is clear that society and the economy are run in the interests of a tiny minority: the bankers, industrialists, financiers – i.e. the capitalist class. This “1%”, by owning and controlling the main levers in the economy, are the only people who really get any say regarding the major decisions in society. For the vast overwhelming majority of society – the 99% - there is little say in how society runs. In this sense, capitalism can be described as a dictatorship of capital. This does not deny the democratic form which governments take, with elected parliaments, freedom of speech, etc., but expresses the fact that the state in those countries exists to perpetuate a particular set of property and power relations. Quite simply, the state in capitalist society exists to maintain capitalism and the privileges of the capitalist class as I wrote before backed by the RW media in this country.
 
we shouldn't punish kids for having shit parents. We should resolve the issue of shit parenting and stop children having shit parents.
We shouldn't, but that's exactly what you seem to be advocating by saying we shouldn't give kids free meals in case their parents are spending money elsewhere.

And how exactly are you going to do stop bad parents existing? And how many kids will go hungry while you do it?
 
We shouldn't, but that's exactly what you seem to be advocating by saying we shouldn't give kids free meals in case their parents are spending money elsewhere.

And how exactly are you going to do stop bad parents existing? And how many kids will go hungry while you do it?

I haven't. I asked for answers for how people are going to solve the other side of the problem to stop kids having to rely on schools, government and Saint Lord Marcus of Rashford for something that their parents should provide as their first priority. Safety nets should be there to pick up those who have things like sudden changes in circumstances, but it's about time people started acknowledging and have the thirst to tackle the long-standing problem on the other side.
 
I haven't. I asked for answers for how people are going to solve the other side of the problem to stop kids having to rely on schools, government and Saint Lord Marcus of Rashford for something that their parents should provide as their first priority. Safety nets should be there to pick up those who have things like sudden changes in circumstances, but it's about time people started acknowledging and have the thirst to tackle the long-standing problem on the other side.

Again, I'm not seeing how you're going to fix bad parenting?

Perhaps instead of just grandstanding about parenting without any solutions, we should just spend a fucking pittance and feed the kids so they're not going hungry?

Then you can work on the underlying reasons why people are relying on school meals.
 
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Again, I'm not seeing how you're going to fix bad parenting?

Perhaps instead of just grandstanding about parenting without any solutions, we should just spend a fucking pittance and feed the kids so they're not going hungry?

Then you can work on the underlying reasons why people are relying on school meals.

Ah, yes. That old chestnut. Why should we feed the hungry because some parents are frivolous? I very much doubt that there are many parents that fit that. I say, better to feed them and ensure they don’t go hungry than not feed them and ensure they do.
 
Every Labour leader in my lifetime has been crucified in the media, because the media is over 90% right wing and has vested interests in the continuation of capitalist excess because their owners are capitalists.

We have one newspaper that is owned by the readership, I own a small percentage of that newspaper, the Morning Star.

You only have to look at the political discourse dominated by the proliferation of right wing think tanks based around Tufton Street to see an unalloyed campaign against anything that has even a whiff of Socialism. Corbyn being a Socialist was the antithesis to everything these mysteriously owned think tanks idealise about.

I could go into the continuous racist slurs, I could go into the caricatures, I could go on about magic money trees and I could go on and on about him being Anti British, anti Nato, anti Western but none of that is really of importance compared to the fact he had some ideas on how to curb capitalist excess and that scared the living daylights out of the capitalist class. They try everything they can to discredit Labour from the ridiculous anti semitic conspiracy theory of Cultural Marxism to the new identity politics moniker. which are all designed to dilute the message that Socialism might be a good choice for the working class to make, so ridicule , lambast, lampoon and whatever other propaganda tool they can find they will use to discredit Socialism. It become commonplace to label Corbyn as a Marxist, Mcdonell was a Marxist, spouted as though the political philiosophy of a dead man was an indicator that these people wanted to ruin your lives and turn the UK in to the Soviet Union. The lines are Socialism and Democracy are incompatible such is the desperation of the capitalist class to hang on to their vestiges of power, wealth and influence. These myths go unchallenged because the media is RW dominated and you get fed a daily diet of how wonderful capitalism is. The very same capitalism that has had a footballer campaign to feed kids whilst the capitalist class enjoyed free meals on the back of the Chancellor's largesse.

The past two decades have witnessed a barrage of propaganda against Marxism and its revolutionary heritage. Since the collapse of Stalinism – not socialism, but a monstrously deformed caricature of Marxism - from one front to another the mainstream media, universities, professors and historians have gone on the offensive to discredit Marxism. Lets examine here the most common myths about Marxism and socialism.

The Stalinist regimes in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, China, and elsewhere are the most commonly used resource for attacking Marxism. Many of the misconceptions about Marxism can be linked quite clearly with the establishment of the first workers’ government in the world with a clear revolutionary programme – that of the Russian Bolsheviks. The October Revolution of 1917 is described merely as a ’coup’ and no expense is spared to equate Marxism with the crimes of Stalin.It cannot be denied that these Stalinist regimes had an enormous bureaucratic caste at the top of society and lacked any basic democratic rights. Such historical examples are used to “prove” that socialism and democracy are completely incompatible. Study of the Russian Revolution, however, and it reveals a flourishing of society after the end of the revolution: the decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion; introduction of free universal healthcare and education; a booming economy and giant leaps forward in science and culture.


Many of the gains of the Revolution were rolled back under Stalin; but this process of degeneration into a totalitarian regime was not the inevitable result of Marxism – as the capitalist class and their mouthpieces would have us believe – but the result of attempting to build a socialist society in an isolated and economically backward country. We should also take a look at what democracy looks like under capitalism. Looking around the world today, where - despite crisis in the economy and austerity across the globe – the rich get richer, it is clear that society and the economy are run in the interests of a tiny minority: the bankers, industrialists, financiers – i.e. the capitalist class. This “1%”, by owning and controlling the main levers in the economy, are the only people who really get any say regarding the major decisions in society. For the vast overwhelming majority of society – the 99% - there is little say in how society runs. In this sense, capitalism can be described as a dictatorship of capital. This does not deny the democratic form which governments take, with elected parliaments, freedom of speech, etc., but expresses the fact that the state in those countries exists to perpetuate a particular set of property and power relations. Quite simply, the state in capitalist society exists to maintain capitalism and the privileges of the capitalist class as I wrote before backed by the RW media in this country.
Thank you for the lesson in politics Rascal and I am not being sarcastic there... you clearly know your onions

I don’t think that Socialism or Marxism have a chance of succeeding in this day and age... the world is driven by greed and many people are righteous and want to do the right thing until they have a taste of success themselves
 
I haven't. I asked for answers for how people are going to solve the other side of the problem to stop kids having to rely on schools, government and Saint Lord Marcus of Rashford for something that their parents should provide as their first priority. Safety nets should be there to pick up those who have things like sudden changes in circumstances, but it's about time people started acknowledging and have the thirst to tackle the long-standing problem on the other side.
Are you saying that the only points that you are making are

'bad parenting exists' - no shit sherlock, and not just amongst those on the poverty line.

And

'We should look for solutions to that'

Cos if we take that at face value and those are the only points that you are making, then you must think you are conversing with a bunch of 3 year old. You will not find a single person in the country who does not agree with those two statements

Are you seriously saying that you feel the need to make clear these two 'no shit, sherlock' points, with no other agenda?

That's either utterly bizarre (like saying, "I just want you all to know that I believe night follows day and two plus two is four") or, more likely, a disingenuous way of supporting this vote.
 
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Safety nets should be there to pick up those who have things like sudden changes in circumstances.....

Global pandemics, businesses being told to close as a result and thousands losing their jobs and chunks of/all of their income not a sudden enough change for you?

How about a meteor strike at the end of your road then? A Martian invasion? Big enough? Or just stop being shit parents and feed the little sods some space rocks?
 
A Government pontificating about responsible parenting led by a PM who either doesn’t know or won’t declare how many children he has scattered around the country and his disciples still back his bankrupt bullshit .
 

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