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What a disastrous budget for the UK economy.

I’ll let you into a little secret. It’s fucked, it’s all fucked, the world is fucked. BUT governments are going to keep loose economic stimulus so drink it up, protect yourself against inflation and learn the Charleston for the roaring 20s are coming (well maybe not roaring but meh I like the synergy)
 
I’ll let you into a little secret. It’s fucked, it’s all fucked, the world is fucked. BUT governments are going to keep loose economic stimulus so drink it up, protect yourself against inflation and learn the Charleston for the roaring 20s are coming (well maybe not roaring but meh I like the synergy)
No excuse for cosying up to your billionaire business mates and screwing the rest of us over! Sunak is nothing more than a shyster.
 
I agree with this. There appears to be this idea of briefing a policy idea, let press run with it under the auspices of “the government are considering” see public reaction and decide if it should become policy or how to spin it. No way to run a country

It noticeably changed with Blair and Campbell. I guess they proved the formula.

They were the one's to rely on focus groups to see how idea's went with the public - this lot are doing the same but by putting stuff in the papers, on the news or on Peston its effectively a focus group of 60m people not 20 locked in a room eating stale sandwiches having Frank Luntz fire questions at them
 
They were the one's to rely on focus groups to see how idea's went with the public - this lot are doing the same but by putting stuff in the papers, on the news or on Peston its effectively a focus group of 60m people not 20 locked in a room eating stale sandwiches having Frank Luntz fire questions at them
I disagree, Brown under Blair and then Darling were the first that I recall to do this with the so-called back to the future budgets that brought things in in years to come that they could change as they went forward.
 
Silly puerile statement, of course I cared ? ! I didn't and still don't think Brexit would be a disaster for the economy if done correctly. But this move is not precisely what is not needed for a post Brexit UK!
What Churchlawtonblue "thought" wasn't important. I can "think" that the sun won't rise in the morning but overwhelmingly the evidence is that it will.

"There is overwhelming or near-unanimous agreement among economists that leaving the European Union will adversely affect the British economy in the medium- and long-term.[a][40] Surveys of economists in 2016 showed overwhelming agreement that Brexit would likely reduce the UK's real per-capita income level.[41][31][32] 2019 and 2017 surveys of existing academic research found that the credible estimates ranged between GDP losses of 1.2–4.5% for the UK,[40] and a cost of between 1–10% of the UK's income per capita.[25] These estimates differ depending on whether the UK does a Hard or Soft Brexit.[25] In January 2018, the UK government's own Brexit analysis was leaked; it showed that UK economic growth would be stunted by 2–8% for at least 15 years following Brexit, depending on the leave scenario.[42][43]

According to most economists, EU membership has a strong positive effect on trade and, as a result, the UK's trade would be worse off if it left the EU.[44][45][46][47] According to a study by University of Cambridge economists, under a hard Brexit, whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1–10%.[48] A 2017 study found that "almost all UK regions are systematically more vulnerable to Brexit than regions in any other country."[49] A 2017 study examining the economic impact of Brexit-induced reductions in migration" found that there would likely be "a significant negative impact on UK GDP per capita (and GDP), with marginal positive impacts on wages in the low-skill service sector."[50][25] It is unclear how changes in trade and foreign investment will interact with immigration, but these changes are likely to be important.[25]"

And it isn't a "peurile" statement. I'm pointing out your hypocracy.
 
What Churchlawtonblue "thought" wasn't important. I can "think" that the sun won't rise in the morning but overwhelmingly the evidence is that it will.

"There is overwhelming or near-unanimous agreement among economists that leaving the European Union will adversely affect the British economy in the medium- and long-term.[a][40] Surveys of economists in 2016 showed overwhelming agreement that Brexit would likely reduce the UK's real per-capita income level.[41][31][32] 2019 and 2017 surveys of existing academic research found that the credible estimates ranged between GDP losses of 1.2–4.5% for the UK,[40] and a cost of between 1–10% of the UK's income per capita.[25] These estimates differ depending on whether the UK does a Hard or Soft Brexit.[25] In January 2018, the UK government's own Brexit analysis was leaked; it showed that UK economic growth would be stunted by 2–8% for at least 15 years following Brexit, depending on the leave scenario.[42][43]

According to most economists, EU membership has a strong positive effect on trade and, as a result, the UK's trade would be worse off if it left the EU.[44][45][46][47] According to a study by University of Cambridge economists, under a hard Brexit, whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1–10%.[48] A 2017 study found that "almost all UK regions are systematically more vulnerable to Brexit than regions in any other country."[49] A 2017 study examining the economic impact of Brexit-induced reductions in migration" found that there would likely be "a significant negative impact on UK GDP per capita (and GDP), with marginal positive impacts on wages in the low-skill service sector."[50][25] It is unclear how changes in trade and foreign investment will interact with immigration, but these changes are likely to be important.[25]"

And it isn't a "peurile" statement. I'm pointing out your hypocracy.
Selected information what a surprise. Truth is neither if us will ever likely know the truth sadly due to the mess Covid has left us in. so probably best to agree to dissagree. What isnt in dispute is I voted as I thought and think was the right way and you voted your way. You lost but you cant accept that. I feel that is rather more telling on you than me. Happy to leave you to it now as no doubt you will still be on here in ten years time moaning about suposed hypocrisy and the unfairness of it all from your self righteous perch.Your health and wellbeing would no doubt be better if you learned to live with things. But each to their own. Have a good day.
 
Go on tell me why? I'm intreged.
It looks pretty good to me considering the amount of money that has been spent on keeping the economy afloat.
Need to go after the companies that dont pay any corporation tax or very little. We need to attract businesses to invest in the UK not scare them off. I run a small conpany, i have no issue paying my fair share of corproation tax as long as everyone else pays their fair share. A few years back our corp tax bill was over ten times that if Facebook in the UK. At the time they were just about to open a brand new purpose built 250000sf office in London. We employed 9 people at the time and could only dream of opening an office to accomodate 3 people in London. See where im coming from??
 
Selected information what a surprise. Truth is neither if us will ever likely know the truth sadly due to the mess Covid has left us in. so probably best to agree to dissagree. What isnt in dispute is I voted as I thought and think was the right way and you voted your way. You lost but you cant accept that. I feel that is rather more telling on you than me. Happy to leave you to it now as no doubt you will still be on here in ten years time moaning about suposed hypocrisy and the unfairness of it all from your self righteous perch.Your health and wellbeing would no doubt be better if you learned to live with things. But each to their own. Have a good day.
These are direct quotes from the forecasts of the UK Government and all of the UK's economists. Go and "select" some information to counter it then and to support your assertation that "I didn't and still don't think Brexit would be a disaster for the economy if done correctly."

I'm sorry to say it but without that you're just another clown talking baseless nonsense on a forum.
 
These are direct quotes from the forecasts of the UK Government and all of the UK's economists. Go and "select" some information to counter it then and to support your assertation that "I didn't and still don't think Brexit would be a disaster for the economy if done correctly."

I'm sorry to say it but without that you're just another clown talking baseless nonsense on a forum.
And true to form we have insults, thats a surprise, not! Oh dear. The sad thing we both know you wouldnt speak to me like that face to face but the internet makes some brave. Each to their own I supose.
 
Need to go after the companies that dont pay any corporation tax or very little. We need to attract businesses to invest in the UK not scare them off. I run a small conpany, i have no issue paying my fair share of corproation tax as long as everyone else pays their fair share. A few years back our corp tax bill was over ten times that if Facebook in the UK. At the time they were just about to open a brand new purpose built 250000sf office in London. We employed 9 people at the time and could only dream of opening an office to accomodate 3 people in London. See where im coming from??
The chancellor didn't say anything about not dealing with tax avoidance but the reality is you'll get a lot of larger companies employing tricks to avoid the same % share smaller companies face. Push them too hard and they will up sticks and move somewhere they can get away with it, and that can cost the country more than the tax lost through avoidance. It ain't right, it ain't going to change. In the meantime the government have to set the rules for everyone else.
 
So no evidence then.

Thanks.
It has obviously not occured to you, given your own apparent self importance im guessing, but i am under no obligation to even read let alone respond to anything you post or ask of me esspecially as I know you are only after an argument. I commented on a budget that I find deeply dissapointing and you brought up brexit in some bizarre way to try and belittle my opinions. I think that says more about you than it does me, and now its back to ignore for you im affraid Dave.
 
Selected information what a surprise. Truth is neither if us will ever likely know the truth sadly due to the mess Covid has left us in. so probably best to agree to dissagree. What isnt in dispute is I voted as I thought and think was the right way and you voted your way. You lost but you cant accept that. I feel that is rather more telling on you than me. Happy to leave you to it now as no doubt you will still be on here in ten years time moaning about suposed hypocrisy and the unfairness of it all from your self righteous perch.Your health and wellbeing would no doubt be better if you learned to live with things. But each to their own. Have a good day.


By your logic ... Covid should have left every country in the world in the same mess... but for some strange reason it hasn't. Could the mess we are in (Worse economic hit in the world.... worse death rate per capita in the world ) be possibly due to the catastrophic handling of the pandemic by the Tories and deep deep cuts they inflicted on the NHS in the 10 years previous?

Just asking.
 
Rushi Q's at press conference (aka party political broadcast at public expense). A direct question about special funding going to Tory constituencies, including his own - "pork barrel politics". Answer - "we've gerrymandered a formula that does that". (No, he didn't really admit that.)
 
By your logic ... Covid should have left every country in the world in the same mess... but for some strange reason it hasn't. Could the mess we are in (Worse economic hit in the world.... worse death rate per capita in the world ) be possibly due to the catastrophic handling of the pandemic by the Tories and deep deep cuts they inflicted on the NHS in the 10 years previous?

Just asking..

No issue from me it has left us in a mess economically. Thats what i posted did i not? I am not sure what you are trying to prove, as I am on record on this forum as stating my annoyance and dissagreement with this governments policy and handling of the Covid pandemic in a number of areas.
 

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