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blueinsa said:
They are fucking idiots but as usual it all gets a tad silly on here again.

Can’t beat a post asking if they have committed a criminal offence followed by wishing someone would beat them senseless (a criminal offence) and then putting them just below murderers and sex offenders.

It’s every bit as extreme thinking as the fucking idiots you hate!
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I said I'd take delight in reading in it, not wished it. If those arseholes get themselves a good beating it would be well deserved. I'm appalled that this arsehole is a city fan.

If I actually desired it I'd be finding out where he lived and do it myself.

They are scum and not their actions amount to terrorism. Some like Paul Golding are actually convicted terrorists.

I've not actually committed a criminal offence in divulging that I'd take pleasure in these scum who intimidate people getting their comeuppance.

It’s not extreme thinking at all. These purveyors of poison cause deep harm to society.

The unrest in the link immediately below is the result of a like-minded group in Sweden provoking muslims. It was wrong to respond to them in exactly the way that the nazis wanted and doesn't excuse rioters culpability, but those who incited knew what they were doing.

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Dozens arrested at Sweden riots sparked by planned Quran burnings

There have been clashes between police and people angry at a far-right group's plan to burn Qurans.
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Britain First leader and deputy leader jailed for hate crimes

Britain First's leader and deputy leader had denied religiously-aggravated harassment.
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Hopefully friends and family members of these fascists can persuade them that what they are doing is wrong.

But if they reject that offer of help and refuse to deradicalise I don't pretend to have any sympathy if they end up like the pathetic individual below.


metro.co.uk

Extremist who left bacon at mosque 'died in prison after drug overdose'

Speculation among far-right groups has been rife about how the convicted hooligan died.
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The Future’s Blue! said:
I’d say I’m centrist at heart and believe that there should be something for everybody. I lean either way dependant on the policies at the time but will always make a choice based on where I feel politicians want to take us.

This government have taken us so far right I’m unsure if I, and people like me, are now the odd people out and I cannot see what others are seeing, and wanting. Corbyn, for me, was the exact opposite of the Johnson cabinet which probably led us to where we are now, the current societal values don’t align to what he and the Unions wanted.

We’ll see soon enough with the upcoming local elections what some in society really think and it should be a signpost to what this country really wants.
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Same here. Economically to the left of centre and socially to the right of it.

I don’t apologise for that and I believe it’s sums up a hell of a lot of us in Britain and politically we have to demand politicians and a party that will represent that and get us back from the abysses that is both the far left and far right.

Bith of those extremes are feeding off the lack of a true centre in British politics.
 
blueinsa said:
Same here. Economically to the left of centre and socially to the right of it.

I don’t apologise for that and I believe it’s sums up a hell of a lot of us in Britain and politically we have to demand politicians and a party that will represent that and get us back from the abysses that is both the far left and far right.

Bith of those extremes are feeding off the lack of a true centre in British politics.
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There are far more far right people in the U.K. than far left.

Vote leave people were made up of the extreme sides of left and right, with the remainder made up of people with an inflated opinion of how strong Britain is globally.

The genie is out of the bottle now and the far right rhetoric will always be ramped up for elections.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
There are far more far right people in the U.K. than far left.

Vote leave people were made up of the extreme sides of left and right, with the remainder made up of people with an inflated opinion of how strong Britain is globally.

The genie is out of the bottle now and the far right rhetoric will always be ramped up for elections.
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You have to define far right and far left.

Are the vast majority of those who voted Labour last time far left? No, absolutely not imo they will have been centre left, traditional Labour and probably leaning towards vote no.

Are the vast majority of Tory voters far right? Again, no. Being a traditional Conservative isn’t a crime and it’s doesn’t make you some fat right loon either. No doubt they where boosted by vote yes and I’m in record as saying what a mistake that was.

The rhetoric of this forum doesn’t reflect real life imo. There is not war on the streets between good and evil, the left against the right. It’s a war rages on social media but not in the vast majority of minds.

We need a real leader to steer us through what will be hard fucking times and I’m hoping Starmer can step up to the plate. He can do that by being centre ground, economically to the left but not 6th form left and he can be socially just to the right, appealing to the majority that want good law and order etc.

Let’s get that back and leave the left vs right to the twitter brigade.
 
blueinsa said:
You have to define far right and far left.

Are the vast majority of those who voted Labour last time far left? No, absolutely not imo they will have been centre left, traditional Labour and probably leaning towards vote no.

Are the vast majority of Tory voters far right? Again, no. Being a traditional Conservative isn’t a crime and it’s doesn’t make you some fat right loon either. No doubt they where boosted by vote yes and I’m in record as saying what a mistake that was.

The rhetoric of this forum doesn’t reflect real life imo. There is not war on the streets between good and evil, the left against the right. It’s a war rages on social media but not in the vast majority of minds.

We need a real leader to steer us through what will be hard fucking times and I’m hoping Starmer can step up to the plate. He can do that by being centre ground, economically to the left but not 6th form left and he can be socially just to the right, appealing to the majority that want good law and order etc.

Let’s get that back and leave the left vs right to the twitter brigade.
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The last election wasn’t Tory vs Labour though. It was vote leave vs remain for those only interested in Brexit.

The next election will likely define where we are as a country more.

I mean people are still defending Johnson even after he has become our first Crime Minister.

The next election will be fought on the standard of living, at a guess, as come this winter, a lot of people will not be able to keep up with the cost of heating, fuel and food.

Johnson will likely go and then it will depend on who replaces him.

Far left and right don’t need defining. Most people know what they mean. There are far more people happy to allow Africans to drown in the channel than there are supporters of a communist state.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
They’ve supported Johnson all the way through and it says a lot to where we are as a nation when these support the current governments policies.

Are we at a point where we, the British society, have moved so far to the right that we have no thought for others?
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Thats why UKIP and BF don't field candidates any more - why would they? They have all joined the Tories some like George Useless have made it to cabinet level
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The last election wasn’t Tory vs Labour though. It was vote leave vs remain for those only interested in Brexit.
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Agree but there was nothing in it and nothing to support there being far more right wingers here imo.


Alan Harper's Tash said:
The next election will likely define where we are as a country more.
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Agree and Labour simply has to win.


Alan Harper's Tash said:
The next election will be fought on the standard of living, at a guess, as come this winter, a lot of people will not be able to keep up with the cost of heating, fuel and food.
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Agree again and rightly so. We need a real leader and government to steer us through what is going to be really hard times. Economically caring but also realists at the same time. I want Labour to cut the VAT on fuel and energy as that’s what is desperately needed right now.


Alan Harper's Tash said:
There are far more people happy to allow Africans to drown in the channel than there are supporters of a communist state.
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Sorry but I really do not agree on the Africans statement. Not many want a communist state either, Rascal aside I hope ;-)
 
blueinsa said:
Rightly so as well.
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No it isn't rightly so. All of those policies are in breach of the UN convention of refugees or maritime law.

It’s called shirking our responsibility. We have left the EU and relinquished any right to rely on The Dublin convention.

We take less refugees than our neighbours and still moan about it and blame France for our own failings.

This no legal way for refugees to travel to the UK, obtaining a visa under false premises or using false documents to get on a flight, ferry or train is an immigration offence.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
No it isn't rightly so. All of those policies are in breach of the UN convention of refugees or maritime law.

It’s called shirking our responsibility. We have left the EU and relinquished any right to rely on The Dublin convention.

We take less refugees than our neighbours and still moan about it and blame France for our own failings.

This no legal way for refugees to travel to the UK, obtaining a visa under false premises or using false documents to get on a flight, ferry or train is an immigration offence.
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Ermmmm……….rightly so as in the vast majority do not agree with gov policy.

I’m of that majority.
 
blueinsa said:
Ermmmm……….rightly so as in the vast majority do not agree with gov policy.

I’m of that majority.
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Read the responses under the heading I copied above.

What policies do the British public think should be put in place to deal with the Channel crisis?​


That is quite chilling to find out that a majority of the people surveyed are cunts.

It would be even more chilling if I didn't believe that the majority of them are ignorant and ill informed and lack a basic grasp of the details and would unlikely to be aware of why we can't and shouldn't use such policies.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Read the responses under the heading I copied above.

What policies do the British public think should be put in place to deal with the Channel crisis?​


That is quite chilling to find out that a majority of the people surveyed are cunts.

It would be even more chilling if I didn't believe that the majority of them are ignorant and ill informed and lack a basic grasp of the details and would unlikely to be aware of why we can't and shouldn't use such policies.
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I only took the number that didn’t agree and didn’t read the article.

This is so easy to fix. Set up reception centres in France in conjunction with the French and process these people. Those who qualify we bring in and those who don’t, the French can deal with.

Only that pragmatic and compassionate approach leaves you then morally able to tackle the smuggling gangs and those who refuse to use agreed channels of entry.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
We have left the EU and relinquished any right to rely on The Dublin convention.
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This is the one where Brexiteers show their sheer ignorance - when we were EU members and could have used it we never did - then when we left they all quote it without realising they voted to give it up - whilst knowing what they were voting for obvs
 
blueinsa said:
We crave the centre left.

We reject the far left as offered to us by Corbyn and co and the sort of left many on here aspire to im afraid.

I will use a swear word here but Blair!

That’s the sort of politician that would defeat the Tories.

Trouble is far too many want to call him or his supporters a Tory and then they wonder why their politics never wins the day.

Starmer has a chance but he has to seriously up his game and if he fails to oust this lot of charlatans and criminals the God help us all!
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Agree with all this - the vast majority are neither far-right nor far-left - and the vast majority reject both extremes

That is not really understood - or certainly not reflected - on here I think where most threads are dominated by the vocal 'harder left'

It was probably largely an echo chamber on here before the 2019 election - leaving so many surprised that the reality is that what 'seems' the dominant views on here only really reflect minority views

I agree that a Blair would piss the next election - because, although we cannot be arsed challenging the obsessiveness of the harder-left on here - most of us are actually centrist in our views - just like the vast majority across the UK
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
I’d say I’m centrist at heart and believe that there should be something for everybody. I lean either way dependant on the policies at the time but will always make a choice based on where I feel politicians want to take us.

This government have taken us so far right I’m unsure if I, and people like me, are now the odd people out and I cannot see what others are seeing, and wanting. Corbyn, for me, was the exact opposite of the Johnson cabinet which probably led us to where we are now, the current societal values don’t align to what he and the Unions wanted.

We’ll see soon enough with the upcoming local elections what some in society really think and it should be a signpost to what this country really wants.
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Good post

I think that this government has only had the opportunity to take us so far to the right because of the utter rejection of the how far left Corbyn was viewed to be. They have done it by 'stealth and deceit' - little of the intent was set out in their manifesto

Out of the blue the rejection of Corbyn and support for Brexit handed them a massive majority and left them able to purge their party of more moderate views

Starmer needs to step up and offer a clearly centrist manifesto and shake off the shackles of the remaining hard-left in his party
 
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