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BlueMoonday said:
My point obviously isn't hitting home with you so I shall put it in to context.

A single person (could be a retired widower/ divorcee / young lad or lass) lives in a property. The council tax for that band of property is £200 a month. Thanks to the single occupancy allowance they pay £150 for council tax.

In a similar property where 3 occupants live, assuming they split the bills 3 ways they're only paying £66.6 each.

Tell me, why should the single occupant have to pay over double what an individual is paying in a house share given we are all entitled to the same services?
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They tried that. It was called the Poll Tax.
 
party chairman promoting Anderson reinventing history.



I thought he got some kind of court punishment for harassment of travellers, and got suspended by Labour as a result.
Maybe he says that in the full article, but somehow I doubt it.
 
Vic said:
Then in a housing shortage move to a smaller property rather than under-occupying a large one.
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I live on my own, in a one bedroom shoebox. I pay £175 a month in council tax. Which is about to go up 4%.

"Moving to a smaller property" isn't an option. My costs are rising but my wages aren't.
 
There is something odd about Lee Anderson - 10 years dahn't pit then a decade as a volunteer for Citizens advice. I assume volunteer means unpaid so if so where did the money to live come from?
 
BlueMoonday said:
Your opinion absolutely stinks.

Why should a bachelor/ widow move to a smaller property because their spouse has died? Especially in a property they've paid the mortgage off for and now may be retired.

Equally why should a single person who's saved up and bought property downsize to achieve a cheaper rate of council tax?

Use some other format to base council tax on, that would be fairer.
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Just so they stop complaining about how much council tax they pay?

Do they get single person discounts on the gas bill? On roof repairs? Property insurance?

You takes your choices and you pays your money.

Now if you want to address the issue of poor people whose child dies and they then get to pay the bedroom tax for having too many bedrooms...
 
TinFoilHat said:
I live on my own, in a one bedroom shoebox. I pay £175 a month in council tax. Which is about to go up 4%.

"Moving to a smaller property" isn't an option. My costs are rising but my wages aren't.
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He was talking about a property that three people could share.

But that sounds a lot if it's after the 25% discount.
 
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Vic said:
Just so they stop complaining about how much council tax they pay?

Do they get single person discounts on the gas bill? On roof repairs? Property insurance?

You takes your choices and you pays your money.

Now if you want to address the issue of poor people whose child dies and they then get to pay the bedroom tax for having too many bedrooms...
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You have a choice who you choose to purchase those services from, you dont have a choice with Council Tax as it's enforced.

It is a toss view that you expect somebody from a similar socio-economic background to pay higher taxes just because they live alone. Hence my comment about using other methods to charge council tax or just charge single occupants 50%.

I'm not pursuing the conversation any further because it doesn't impact me, I just think single occupancy allowance isn't good enough and it is naive to think single people are always better off financially. It is all contextual.
 
Vic said:
He was talking about a property that three people could share.

But that sounds a lot if it's after the 25% discount.
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You do know a couple could be living in a shoe box flat together and only be paying 25% more CT than a single occupant?

Point stands that single occupants are unfairly taxed.
 
1.618034 said:
It's 33.3% more...
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The CT actual bill for the shared property is 25% more than a single occupant. Single occupancy allowance is 25%. Assuming this is already applied to the £175 already. The total full CT for the shared property would be £233.33, (25 % more).

If the couple split this bill between them equally then the single occupant is paying 33.3% more than what one of the couple is paying individually.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Yeah.

I tried appealing it. They argued it was average rate for the apartments I'm in.

Naturally they have 3 bedroom penthouses at the top bumping up their "average"
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Each self-contained property is banded separately, no averaging. Seems very odd.
 
BlueMoonday said:
The CT actual bill for the shared property is 25% more than a single occupant. Single occupancy allowance is 25%. Assuming this is already applied to the £175 already. The total full CT for the shared property would be £233.33, (25 % more).

If the couple split this bill between them equally then the single occupant is paying 33.3% more than what one of the couple is paying individually.
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I think maths may not be your strong point. If £75 is 75% of the full amount, the full amount is £100, and that's a third (33.3%) more than £75.
 
Vic said:
I think maths may not be your strong point. If £75 is 75% of the full amount, the full amount is £100, and that's a third (33/3%) more than £75.
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What the f*ck are you on about? Attention to detail isn't your strong point.

Tinfoilhat said his bill is £175 (Go and look) I've assumed that has already had the single occupancy allowance applied to it which would mean the original bill for shared would be £233.33. (£58.33 is 25% of £233.33. So 233.33 - 58.33 is £175)

What do do you not understand from that exactly?
 
BlueMoonday said:
What the f*ck are you on about? Tinfoilhat said his bill is £175. I've assumed that has already had the single occupancy allowance applied to it which would mean the original bill for shared would be £233.33. (£58.33 is 25% of £233.33. So 233.33 - 58.33 is £175)

What do do you not understand from that exactly?
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And £58.33 is a quarter (25%) of £233.33, and a third (33.3%) of £175. So the couple would be paying a third more than a single person who gets a discount of a quarter.
 
BlueMoonday said:
The CT actual bill for the shared property is 25% more than a single occupant. Single occupancy allowance is 25%. Assuming this is already applied to the £175 already. The total full CT for the shared property would be £233.33, (25 % more).

If the couple split this bill between them equally then the single occupant is paying 33.3% more than what one of the couple is paying individually.
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your 233.33 looks right, but the use of %ages in the first part is all over the place, or appears to be because some are based on the Base value 100%, and some are based on the discounted single rate of 75%

Base value 100%
single allowance 25% - leaves 75% to pay
The Base value is 33% more than the payable amount by a single person, or 25% of the original value.

2 people splitting Base value of 100% would pay 50% each.
A single person paying 75% of the Base value is paying 50% more than each of the 2 people, or 25% more if viewed as a fraction of the base 100% value.

I think you're both right in your thinking, just the terminology is a bit screwy.
 
And now the next arithmetical teaser.

If a brick weighs seven pounds plus half a brick, what does a brick and a half weigh?
 
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