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Mr Kobayashi said:
But harsh there Denis.


You do realise he will be apologising for this current gammon stance in a few years time.

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Another with no answer to the housing problem lol

That the issue with the left, great at telling us what’s wrong but can’t fix anything.
 
blueinsa said:
Hotels are also a massive issue so not the answer.

Yes we need to speed up the process but in the meantime these people need to be housed by whatever means possible and the barge, whilst not ideal is at least a solution.
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It isn’t a solution. We already know the solution. Resource the system and speed up the process which will benefit everyone. Anything other than that is bollocks.

Fantasy solutions are never solutions. I thought you would have figured that out by now :)
 
BobKowalski said:
It isn’t a solution. We already know the solution. Resource the system and speed up the process which will benefit everyone. Anything other than that is bollocks.

Fantasy solutions are never solutions. I thought you would have figured that out by now :)
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Already agreed with you but that isn’t happening as of 1pm today is it?

In the meantime, where do we house these people?
 
In principle, housing asylum seekers waiting to be processed on a barge is no different to housing them on land, and using the fact that it’s a barge to criticise the government provides plenty of ammunition for defenders of the policy. On paper it doesn’t sound too bad and there’s scope for government supporters to argue that detractors would criticise any initiative.

However I can’t help thinking it’s another stunt that the government are using to divide opinion, and when the details are made clear it probably doesn’t save a penny and it provides a useful distraction from the real issue which is the total inadequacy of the Home Office in processing applications in a timely manner.
 
Vic said:
It's the silly season and the Tories are feeding a fascist idea a day to the media.
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and every day a shadow cabinet minister will appear on the same media and refuse to confirm that Labour will reverse any of it.
You insist they are not the same but how big of a leap is it? After all 30p Lee used to be a Blairite :)

 
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There is sod all wrong with a floating barge as long as it is well equipped, safe, warm, comfortable and welcoming. Fuck sake, go on air bnb and a house boat will cost an arm and a leg. Refugees need to be held temporarily until their applications are processed, then most can be integrated into communities that need repopulation. Of course new affordable houses are needed in these areas as well. The solution is not rocket science and instead of it being presented as a major problem could be flipped to be the answer to a number of issues. Isn’t this kind of thing what Labour are supposed to stand for?
 
blueinsa said:
Another with no answer to the housing problem lol

That the issue with the left, great at telling us what’s wrong but can’t fix anything.
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It's not a real fix is it? It's a political stunt.

The real fix would be having the people, technology, and procedures in place to clear the backlog.

A few migrants going "missing" benefits the Tories post election as the problem they've created comes home to roost and they'll be demanding the labour government be more harsh on these "law breakers."
 
blueinsa said:
Already agreed with you but that isn’t happening as of 1pm today is it?

In the meantime, where do we house these people?
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We ain’t housing them on barges by 1pm either. But we could make a start on processing applications at a higher rate starting this afternoon. Does that make a good headline though? ‘Govt officials start doing their job competently’ vs ‘We will make them live on barges!’

Instead of having staff trying to make fantasy solutions work at twice the cost, just task them to do the one thing that would ease the backlog and lease enough housing on dry land in the short term. Oh, and paint a few cartoons in the walls for the kids. It’s the little things that count.

So, there you go. The left coming up with a solution, the right trying to charter barges and slow down the application process. Adult thinking versus toddler thinking.
 
My ideas:

1. Accept that statistically, around 70-80% of these people will qualify for asylum.
2. Employ (a lot) more people to process them. Employ directly, instead of paying stupid money to dodgy contractors.
3. Get successful applicants into the world of work, in taxpaying jobs, not the cash-in-hand black economy.
4. Join the EU so that the Dublin Agreement applies again.
5. Agree with the EU to take our fair share of asylum seekers but no more.
6. Build more social housing. Prefabs if necessary.
7. Give financial incentives for racists to emigrate to the Falklands. (It is apparently a bit like 1950s Britain.)
8. Stop dog-whistling racist BS and spending vast sums of money just to appeal to knuckledraggers but with no actual impact in the real world. (E.g. the Rwanda scheme, which is so ludicrously expensive it would be cheaper to put each individual through university. Even if it was practicable, which it ain't.)
 
I’d like to know the reason that claims have been so slow to be processed? Is it resourcing or extra rules implemented by the HO, or even been told to slow processing down.

Either way, those decisions are on the government that has created an issue that they can use to divide the country. I just laugh at them now and anybody arguing for this false narrative get the finger pointing as well.
 
blueinsa said:
Hotels are also a massive issue so not the answer.

Yes we need to speed up the process but in the meantime these people need to be housed by whatever means possible and the barge, whilst not ideal is at least a solution.
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It's not the final solution, is it?
 
Postman Pep said:
and every day a shadow cabinet minister will appear on the same media and refuse to confirm that Labour will reverse any of it.
You insist they are not the same but how big of a leap is it? After all 30p Lee used to be a Blairite :)

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Yet 30p Lee had to leave the Labour party to find his true fascist home.
 
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