The Conservative Party

[I'm With Stupid]

Now we’re out of the EU, the UK economy will flatline ad infinitum.

Yep, I can see a Japan-style situation with 2 or 3 decades of lost growth. Except they did it from the position of being the richest big country per capita in the world, whereas the UK is doing it from a position of already performing fairly poorly compared to its neighbours. In the last 10 years, the UK per capita income has gone from roughly the same as the Netherlands and Germany to 17 grand and 10 grand a year less respectively (can't remember if that's pounds, euros or dollars, but either way, it's bad).

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Batshit

It's fanciful bullshit. Even frosty the snowman doesn't believe it.

There's a stipulation in property law that a tenancy is defined by certain characteristics, it isn't defined by a clause from the landlord stating it is or it isn't a tenancy.

This is the same situation here. A safe country can never be one that poses a real risk of deporting people to the country they have fled persecution from.

As soon as this gets to the supreme court they'll declare it incompatible with existing treaty obligations and it's back to square one.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It's fanciful bullshit. Even frosty the snowman doesn't believe it.

There's a stipulation in property law that a tenancy is defined by certain characteristics, it isn't defined by a clause from the landlord stating it is or it isn't a tenancy.

This is the same situation here. A safe country can never be one that poses a real risk of deporting people to the country they have fled persecution from.

As soon as this gets to the supreme court they'll declare it incompatible with existing treaty obligations and it's back to square one.

Well yeah, this has never been about actually solving a problem, it's been about appealing to the sort of knuckle draggers that are still considering voting Tory after everything they've done. The sad thing is that our national media are complicit in this bullshit by interviewing them at face value, rather than calling them on what is obviously just a publicity stunt.

 

[ShorehamCitizen]

Yep, I can see a Japan-style situation with 2 or 3 decades of lost growth. Except they did it from the position of being the richest big country per capita in the world, whereas the UK is doing it from a position of already performing fairly poorly compared to its neighbours. In the last 10 years, the UK per capita income has gone from roughly the same as the Netherlands and Germany to 17 grand and 10 grand a year less respectively (can't remember if that's pounds, euros or dollars, but either way, it's bad).

We'll be fine in the long run, we always seem to pull out of sticky situations, while the media use England in summer tournaments as a "beautiful distraction".

Hopefully Euro 2028 will sort our economy out, but only on the condition that Mickey Lynch and his RMT chums stop it with their during major events strikes.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

We'll be fine in the long run, we always seem to pull out of sticky situations, while the media use England in summer tournaments as a "beautiful distraction".

Hopefully Euro 2028 will sort our economy out, but only on the condition that Mickey Lynch and his RMT chums stop it with their during major events strikes.

Fucking hell, relying on a sports tournament to boost the economy. That really is desperate. Must be why Greece became such an economic powerhouse after the 2000 Olympics.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fucking hell, relying on a sports tournament to boost the economy. That really is desperate. Must be why Greece became such an economic powerhouse after the 2000 Olympics.

And how South Korea went from not being a G7 country to not being a G7 country despite hosting the 1988 Olympics

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I’m disgusted in myself but in that photo of Ester McVey…..


I would.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's fanciful bullshit. Even frosty the snowman doesn't believe it.

There's a stipulation in property law that a tenancy is defined by certain characteristics, it isn't defined by a clause from the landlord stating it is or it isn't a tenancy.

Street v Mountford

 

[Ducado]

I’m disgusted in myself but in that photo of Ester McVey…..


I would.

Ha ha same thoughts

 

[BrianW]

We can just pass a law that says the pound is worth 100 US dollars.

All our economic problems are solved overnight, and as a bonus, we shall all be rich.

 

[bluethrunthru]

When **** announces Welfare "reforms" to facilitate Inheritance Tax Cuts for the to 4% who have already been major beneficiaries of 13 years of Tory rule remember Elaine - remember he is a **** remembering a bunch of cunts and vote wisely when your chance comes

 

[Vic]

Me. Vaccines.

Seriously?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Seriously?

No. Think of him as malg or TINY on a pre match thread.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s an interesting one about this passing a law asserting a fact in these terms, because as Sunak said a few weeks ago when justifying his small time HS2 decision, “facts change”.

Parliament is supreme as are the laws that emanate from it as statute, but I wonder if such a law could be challenged via Judicial Review on the grounds of it being Wednesbury Unreasonable, as making such an assertion, that can plainly be subject to instant change, is (or can become) irrational. Repeal being available would presumably be a defence to such a claim, but that surely cannot be an overriding basis for defending such an approach given the timescales involved and the fact it would egregiously fetter the discretion of the courts at particular times.

Not thought this through massively but it seems to me that it is so contrary to established statutory principles that it must be subject to scrutiny by way of legal challenge.

 

[Gingers Dad]

Is anyone on here actually going to vote tory in the election? Genuine question as I'd love to hear a reason why

In the 80s I never met a Tory voter. They won 4 elections in row by big majorities. Never trust the polls because people lie.

 

[Gingers Dad]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more civil unrest, normally you would say that was a good thing but it just shows how pathetically apathetic us brits are.

Sweet moderation
Heart of this nation
Desert us not, we are
Between the wars

 

[Gingers Dad]

We'll be fine in the long run, we always seem to pull out of sticky situations, while the media use England in summer tournaments as a "beautiful distraction".

Hopefully Euro 2028 will sort our economy out, but only on the condition that Mickey Lynch and his RMT chums stop it with their during major events strikes.

They won't be on strike if they have been given decent terms and conditions. And half the workforce haven't been laid off

 

[bluethrunthru]

In the 80s I never met a Tory voter. They won 4 elections in row by big majorities. Never trust the polls because people lie.

I take your point but 40 years on polls are a way more sophisticated animal

 

[Chris in London]

It’s an interesting one about this passing a law asserting a fact in these terms, because as Sunak said a few weeks ago when justifying his small time HS2 decision, “facts change”.

Parliament is supreme as are the laws that emanate from it as statute, but I wonder if such a law could be challenged via Judicial Review on the grounds of it being Wednesbury Unreasonable, as making such an assertion, that can plainly be subject to instant change, is (or can become) irrational. Repeal being available would presumably be a defence to such a claim, but that surely cannot be an overriding basis for defending such an approach given the timescales involved and the fact it would egregiously fetter the discretion of the courts at particular times.

Not thought this through massively but it seems to me that it is so contrary to established statutory principles that it must be subject to scrutiny by way of legal challenge.

If Parliament uses primary legislation to say Margaret Thatcher is still alive, as far as U.K. law is concerned, Margaret Thatcher is still alive.

Primary legislation is not amenable to judicial review no matter how irrational it may be. The sanction for passing batshit legislation is political, not judicial.

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

We'll be fine in the long run, we always seem to pull out of sticky situations, while the media use England in summer tournaments as a "beautiful distraction".

Hopefully Euro 2028 will sort our economy out, but only on the condition that Mickey Lynch and his RMT chums stop it with their during major events strikes.

Very poor wind up or the musings of an idiot