The continuing mistimings of Labours PLP

Was the ‘sabotage’ in affect then?

Is this what you’re going to say every time he doesn’t form a government?

Certain MPs had decided to only locally campaign and not be visible, experienced orators not on telly banging tge drum will have an effect.
The funny thing is some of the coup MPs couldn't get members to doorstep for them (woodcock for example) so mommentum shipped members in to help leaflet and effectively campaign for people who would then slag them off constantly.
 
The thing is the main rabble rousers and disenters were not party of that, they are the next generation of new labour MP that were straight out of Uni in to pps or media jobs at westmister, then parachuted into constituencies, tristram hunt, luciana Berger, angela eagle.

The only 2 who were not were Hodges and Field, as you see older heads like Yvette Cooper and harriet harman, margaret beckett etc keep their council and know how politics works.

The likes of Leslie, Umunna, smith, woodcock, coyle etc are career politicians straight from education or jobs around westminster such as journalism.

Then there is the newer generation of MPs that represent the constituency they come from and previosly worked in Angela Rayner, Cat Smith, Richard Burgon, Rebecca long -Bailey, also the Co-Op backed MPs that normally come from the area they represent and strangely these seem to want to set an agenda that looks after the many, and seem to back the leaderships vision and manifesto.

Harking back to 97 and what blair and brown did in a time when the world was a different place and comparing their experience as MPs leading up to and after winning power have little to do with the generation of politicians calling themselves moderate or progressive, they have, to use the cliche, lived in the westminster bubble and as shown when cameron won twice had nothing to offer that the nation wanted.

Blair and Browns vision was fresh and energized the nation, the prensent self proclaimed centerist say and offer nothing, no vision, no fresh unique ideas, and that is why they have been rejected, and having not lived outside the buble cannot handle it and tend to throw tantrums and call the people who campaigned to get them in power dogs

Was never in favour of deselection, but chuka and leslie and coyle can all be fucked off for all I care, they can hate corbyn for all I care, but insulting your members is too far for me.

They haven’t been given a chance, they’ve been pushed out and the dogs comment, in my opinion, is a fair one.

The followers of Corbyn and Momentum are worse, you see it on here, it’s blind following and they get very aggressive online.

As Blair said they probably will form a new centrist party as they don’t have another choice really in my opinion. That will unfortunately gift the Tories the next generation of votes unless said party can take many moderate Tory and Labour votes off them.

In relation to your first points there anyway, the fact the likes of Harman has so little influence now is terrible. She’s a fantastic politician and the likes of her could be the difference to Labour getting back in.
 
Certain MPs had decided to only locally campaign and not be visible, experienced orators not on telly banging tge drum will have an effect.
The funny thing is some of the coup MPs couldn't get members to doorstep for them (woodcock for example) so mommentum shipped members in to help leaflet and effectively campaign for people who would then slag them off constantly.

I’ll take that as a no then.
 
It's simple really.

Achievements of Labour under Blair:

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Achievements of Labour under Corbyn:

1. N/A.

That's the problem. And unless he can populate that list then how great he is is irrelevant.

Just look at that list and look how many the Tories have reversed with the austerity doctrine - they should be shamed publicly for how they have taken the country backwards..... oh wait that was the idea - they loved Thatcherism and harbour a desire for the return of those days so they are creating them.
 
It's simple really.

Achievements of Labour under Blair:

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hzkxRNq.jpg


rAc6evX.jpg


Achievements of Labour under Corbyn:

1. N/A.

That's the problem. And unless he can populate that list then how great he is is irrelevant.
Yeah, but... he invaded Iraq.

So like, that undoes everything else, right? (Consults Momentum handbook of "How to be a good Labour member")
 
No, I'll say it every time his own MPs bad mouth him in public. They're obviously not going to oust him within the party structure, so as I've said, if it's that big an issue, they should fuck off and join their own party, they're only helping the Tories otherwise.

If they ‘fuck off’ and join their own party and take so many moderate voters with them, splitting a Labour Party that hasn’t been elected in 3 GE’s, you’re effectively handing the Tories this generation.
 
If they ‘fuck off’ and join their own party and take so many moderate voters with them, splitting a Labour Party that hasn’t been elected in 3 GE’s, you’re effectively handing the Tories this generation.
It's the centre vote that keeps the Tories in power, it would do the opposite.
 
They haven’t been given a chance, they’ve been pushed out and the dogs comment, in my opinion, is a fair one.

The followers of Corbyn and Momentum are worse, you see it on here, it’s blind following and they get very aggressive online.

As Blair said they probably will form a new centrist party as they don’t have another choice really in my opinion. That will unfortunately gift the Tories the next generation of votes unless said party can take many moderate Tory and Labour votes off them.

In relation to your first points there anyway, the fact the likes of Harman has so little influence now is terrible. She’s a fantastic politician and the likes of her could be the difference to Labour getting back in.

They were coming through when brown lost and were soundly defeated in 2015, mainly because you could watch a tory/lib coalition MP say something then labour were not that different, no party was offering anything new and the apathy about politics was massive.

Look at now, people are re-engaged, left, right and center, politics and the future of the country is important again wher as say in 2013 people were going through the motions, when the public were questioned the answer was "well their all the same, why bother voting" by many.

BM would never have needed a sub forum 5 years ago as politics was so sterile and similar.
 
If they ‘fuck off’ and join their own party and take so many moderate voters with them, splitting a Labour Party that hasn’t been elected in 3 GE’s, you’re effectively handing the Tories this generation.

Given that Johnson could topple May next week Chuka and Soubry had better get their skates on then -

Monday - form new party at press conf
Tuesday - announce candidates - MP's that have resigned from their own parties to join new party
Wednesday - Campaign
Thursday - Election Day
Friday - Results

Note to self - keep following Monday clear in Diary to acknowledge victory and announce new cabinet / apologise for fucking up a la Gang of Four..........
 
I’ll take that as a no then.

I didn't say there was sabootage, but there was a lack of will to be heard on telly, fuck me we have heard more from chukka in the last 24hrs than the whole of that last election campaign.
 

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