The continuing mistimings of Labours PLP

[Ban-jani]

She was muted imediately to be offered a role and was championed by McDonell, but ruled out any offer before thr reshuffle as she said she had had her time instead the leadrship backed her to become chair of the human rights committee.

In the aftermath of 2017 GE she said speaking on the Today programme, Corbyn "has shown us he can lead us forward" after previously expecting him to send the party "into the abyss".

On the position of the center ground what was center ground in 78 when thatcher shifted it right is different to what it was in 97 which was still soft right of it's traditional position and is still shifting now as politics change back leftwards.


I am bemused how, when europe (as we will probably see in Sweden today) lurches to right wing popularism peopel who want a socially just society can look at labours manifesto and go , nah.

Centerism is dormant and will be for a few years, the only fight for social liberals, socialist, and neo liberals whether centerist or left wing in Labour is against the rise of the right, not each other

Fair enough, I didn’t know that about Harman.

Why are we constantly being brought back to the 70’s? I know that’s where Corbyn’s politics have mostly stayed but the centre is the centre of today, let’s live in the present.

Centrism isn’t dormant in France, I have hope it’ll return here too and we can reverse Brexit. You may say that’s extremely optimistic but if I don’t live in hope I’ll go insane with the current political climate.

 

[The blue phantom]

It's simple really.

Achievements of Labour under Blair:

Achievements of Labour under Corbyn:

1. N/A.

That's the problem. And unless he can populate that list then how great he is is irrelevant.

All that and he will still be remembered as a Warmongering ****.

 

[Ban-jani]

All that and he will still be remembered as a Warmongering ****.

Hahahahaha this type of post was called a couple of pages back.

No surprise on the poster that made it.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Yes, they put up. They didn't snipe and sabotage their own party. If they've got that much of a problem with the party they should fuck off and start their own, since they're so convinced Momentum are in the wrong and their views are the electable ones.

Corbyn didn’t put up, to be fair. He voted against his own government more times than any MP. He voted against the whip, 428 times, which makes his attempt at ‘loyalty or else’ so hypocritical and why he was never the right man to lead the party. Given his track record he has absolutely no business demanding his MPs vote with him and, without that, he’s impotent.

 

[The perfect fumble]

There you go speaking for me again.

I think it would be close, but it’s like deciding whether you want to live in a house with no front or back door or a house without a roof.

I’m equally disenfranchised with both the hard-left and the Tories. Both are bad in my opinion for different reasons.

If there were a GE tomorrow though, surely you’d be with me and vote Lib Dem, seeing as though we’re both for reversing Brexit?

They are the only party offering a way out, not Corbyn’s Labour. Hence where a lot of the dissent comes from within the party.

There's not a lot of dissent, where there is it's primarily in the PLP.

If you think voting Lib Dem is going to reverse Brexit you should seriously consider becoming a dipper, that kind of fantastical nonsense is their meat and potatoes.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn didn’t put up, to be fair. He voted against his own government more times than any MP. He voted against the whip, 428 times, which makes his attempt at ‘loyalty or else’ so hypocritical and why he was never the right man to lead the party. Given his track record he has absolutely no business demanding his MPs vote with him and, without that, he’s impotent.

I think you'll find it's the Blairite MPs that are fearful of impending impotency.

 

[Ban-jani]

There's not a lot of dissent, where there is it's primarily in the PLP.

If you think voting Lib Dem is going to reverse Brexit you should seriously consider becoming a dipper, that kind of fantastical nonsense is their meat and potatoes.

Yes it would, it would at least put through a 2nd referendum and give another chance.

They have literally said they’ll give a people’s vote.

You’ve just said Blair didn’t have anywhere near the dissent Corbyn has faced and now there isn’t a lot?

Make your mind up.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think you'll find it's the Blairite MPs that are fearful of impending impotency.

Great attempt at ignoring the point.

In the face of all the stats you’ve just said “no we’re not, you are”.

Quite a staggering argument for an adult to make.

 

[blueparrot]

It comes down one thing for me who should decide the direction of a political party, those that have to win the votes of millions and go back to them every 5 years and have to implement the policies they advocate. Or a group of self interested people with their own agendas that pay a few quid and are answerable to no one.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I think you'll find it's the Blairite MPs that are fearful of impending impotency.

I think you’ll find it’s people who despair that Corbyn and his front bench of old people, are going to give us another five years of a conservative government, possibly led by a rabid right winger in the shape of Johnson or Mogg.
The most ineffective government I can remember, being led by someone nobody wants, and he still can’t get in front of them. Your chap should be making hay and he’s gone into hiding. What Blair understood was that you can’t change anything if you’re always the opposition whereas your no compromise stance will ensure that’s exactly where the Labour Party will stay.