Yeh fair play paul, your absolutely right. My older brother , big Frank from Rochdale was about 6ft 3ins tall , 17 stone, and in them days always wore a boiler suit from working at Holroyds engineering, Rochdale, and for some daft reason wore a bus conductors hat. He was loud as fook at matches. Anyway, he often had a 2in King Dick spanner in his boiler suit. Your quite correct, when we played Chelsea in the other leg they brought a lot, and who did kick off. My brother wielded his spanner when it all kicked off. IIRC it kicked off on the then open end. My brother is now 73. I believe that Les Tate is still active around Gorton. Les Tate is a mate of a mate of mine, who served in the British Army, like I did.