The Creeping Gentrification of City

[Blue2112]

Everyone knows, based on previous seasons, that if you're on the cup scheme you will get priority for semi and final tickets. If you didn't sign up, don't cry about it now! Why should someone who couldn't be bothered to turn up in the earlier rounds, but have loads of points, get a cup ticket before someone who has attended all the cup games? Your season ticket is for home games only, not cup games. If you wanted a better chance of getting a ticket, then you should have signed up, no sympathy here I'm afraid!
I think the club are quite fair in the way they do their loyalty points/schemes. At least you get a choice whether to sign up or not unlike other clubs. If you don't sign that's up to you, but don't start having a go at the club because you choose not to.
Too many blues seem to think they are owed something because they have followed City before we won anything. I've been a season ticket holder for nearly 15 years, and remember the York's away, Wycombe's on a shitty Tuesday night. The club owes me absolutely nothing! I choose to follow them and will carry on doing so as long as I can. Anyone who thinks they are owed something is following for the wrong reasons.

But lets say somebody could be bothered to go to all the cup games but couldn't afford the money in the bank for the early withdrawal? so could not commit to joining the cup scheme.

I have no problem with those that join the cup scheme getting first dibs. However I don't agree they should gain extra loyalty points for it. Yes cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means as an incentive to join but there are quite a few of us that also attend all cup games but are not part of the cup scheme either by choice or by not having the money upfront in the bank in readiness for the early withdrawal and are falling behind those that can afford an earlier payment.

Fair point, maybe the doubling up of loyalty points isn't fair across the whole board. Some people might look at it as the club rewarding fans who join cup schemes etc... but others may look at it as purely the club trying to get more money off people. Personally, I think it's a bit of both. I think the problem is that no scheme will suite everyone and people will find holes/flaws with any system. It just annoys me when everyone knows the criteria at the beginning of the season, choose to ignore or opt out, then moan about it later.

I do feel the club should be applauded for trying to address this issue and I feel if they tweaked it by reducing the doubling of points for both cup schemes and Platinum season tickets then they would have about the best suited scheme to the majority. Cup games would then be the same as old season tickets, first dibs and cheaper seats being the incentive and then it would be down to the individual to put in the effort to gain the points and not buy them in a quick fire succession.

 

[SteWadda]

But lets say somebody could be bothered to go to all the cup games but couldn't afford the money in the bank for the early withdrawal? so could not commit to joining the cup scheme.

I have no problem with those that join the cup scheme getting first dibs. However I don't agree they should gain extra loyalty points for it. Yes cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means as an incentive to join but there are quite a few of us that also attend all cup games but are not part of the cup scheme either by choice or by not having the money upfront in the bank in readiness for the early withdrawal and are falling behind those that can afford an earlier payment.

Register it against a credit card and then you don't have to worry about having the money in your bank.

Yes but that doesn't address my issue with gaining extra points for cup schemers going to the same game as others. Cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means. Money is buying loyalty and thats wrong in every principal.

I don't think the money issue is relevent to the cup scheme as it doesn't cost anything to join it and you may end up getting cheaper tickets.

 

[squirtyflower]

But lets say somebody could be bothered to go to all the cup games but couldn't afford the money in the bank for the early withdrawal? so could not commit to joining the cup scheme.

I have no problem with those that join the cup scheme getting first dibs. However I don't agree they should gain extra loyalty points for it. Yes cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means as an incentive to join but there are quite a few of us that also attend all cup games but are not part of the cup scheme either by choice or by not having the money upfront in the bank in readiness for the early withdrawal and are falling behind those that can afford an earlier payment.

Fair point, maybe the doubling up of loyalty points isn't fair across the whole board. Some people might look at it as the club rewarding fans who join cup schemes etc... but others may look at it as purely the club trying to get more money off people. Personally, I think it's a bit of both. I think the problem is that no scheme will suite everyone and people will find holes/flaws with any system. It just annoys me when everyone knows the criteria at the beginning of the season, choose to ignore or opt out, then moan about it later.

I do feel the club should be applauded for trying to address this issue and I feel if they tweaked it by reducing the doubling of points for both cup schemes and Platinum season tickets then they would have about the best suited scheme to the majority. Cup games would then be the same as old season tickets, first dibs and cheaper seats being the incentive and then it would be down to the individual to put in the effort to gain the points and not buy them in a quick fire succession.

You don't get double points for joining the cup schemes, only for being on platinum

 

[Blue2112]

Register it against a credit card and then you don't have to worry about having the money in your bank.

Yes but that doesn't address my issue with gaining extra points for cup schemers going to the same game as others. Cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means. Money is buying loyalty and thats wrong in every principal.

I don't think the money issue is relevent to the cup scheme as it doesn't cost anything to join it and you may end up getting cheaper tickets.

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --<br /><br />

Fair point, maybe the doubling up of loyalty points isn't fair across the whole board. Some people might look at it as the club rewarding fans who join cup schemes etc... but others may look at it as purely the club trying to get more money off people. Personally, I think it's a bit of both. I think the problem is that no scheme will suite everyone and people will find holes/flaws with any system. It just annoys me when everyone knows the criteria at the beginning of the season, choose to ignore or opt out, then moan about it later.

I do feel the club should be applauded for trying to address this issue and I feel if they tweaked it by reducing the doubling of points for both cup schemes and Platinum season tickets then they would have about the best suited scheme to the majority. Cup games would then be the same as old season tickets, first dibs and cheaper seats being the incentive and then it would be down to the individual to put in the effort to gain the points and not buy them in a quick fire succession.

You don't get double points for joining the cup schemes, only for being on platinum

Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

 

[Gingers Dad]

I pay about £650 for my ST, don't go away much, aint a points whore so I bought gold not platinum and as such I only have about 3500 points.

How fucking poor is it that people in my boat who've forked out £650 aren't guaranteed a semi final ticket yet some little spoilt Hooray Henry who's been to 1 or 2 games where he spends most of his time playing on his ipod can jump the queue based on nothing more than some marketing exec's plan to "enhance the brand" by attracting bourgeois parents prepared to overindulge their offspring to the nth degree. So I'll have to splurge probably the best part of £500 sorting a ticket for the semi and god willing the final

Plenty of people bigging up City's role in the community, funding colleges, building footy pitches in East LA (ffs) etc but as the old adage goes charity begins at home which in a football club's case should mean the fans who've been there through the hard times. I'm lucky that I can afford to pay over the odds occasionally for special occasions but how many thousands of dyed in the wool blues are there who are missing out on the glory days by what seems like an almost deliberate campaign to ostracise working class fans from City

People will no doubt counter with the old "our prices are amongst the cheapest in the PL" argument. The cheapest Bentley in the showroom is still fucking dear.

Sort it out City before we have a ground full of chablis sipping, Leica clicking, Guardian reading consumers, there only to be entertained. And people wonder why the atmosphere's bobbins these days.

Don't worry you'll get a semi final ticket, just be patient

 

[squirtyflower]

Yes but that doesn't address my issue with gaining extra points for cup schemers going to the same game as others. Cheaper tickets and first dibs by all means. Money is buying loyalty and thats wrong in every principal.

I don't think the money issue is relevent to the cup scheme as it doesn't cost anything to join it and you may end up getting cheaper tickets.

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --

I do feel the club should be applauded for trying to address this issue and I feel if they tweaked it by reducing the doubling of points for both cup schemes and Platinum season tickets then they would have about the best suited scheme to the majority. Cup games would then be the same as old season tickets, first dibs and cheaper seats being the incentive and then it would be down to the individual to put in the effort to gain the points and not buy them in a quick fire succession.

You don't get double points for joining the cup schemes, only for being on platinum

Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

10 points for gold cup scheme members
20 points for platinum cup scheme members
10 points for gold members not on the cup scheme
20 points for platinum members not on the cup scheme

 

[Blue2112]

I don't think the money issue is relevent to the cup scheme as it doesn't cost anything to join it and you may end up getting cheaper tickets.

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --

You don't get double points for joining the cup schemes, only for being on platinum

Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

10 points for gold cup scheme members
20 points for platinum cup scheme members
10 points for gold members not on the cup scheme
20 points for platinum members not on the cup scheme

Ok so back in the day when this was started I've obviously been told by one of the staff behind the ticket office desk something different and I've never followed up on it. In that all cup scheme members got double points to those non cup scheme members and not as you have more easily highlighted. I remember it as clear as day because I questioned it. She probably didn't know either.

 

[squirtyflower]

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --



Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

10 points for gold cup scheme members
20 points for platinum cup scheme members
10 points for gold members not on the cup scheme
20 points for platinum members not on the cup scheme

Ok so back in the day when this was started I've obviously been told by one of the staff behind the ticket office desk something different and I've never followed up on it. In that all cup scheme members got double points to those non cup scheme members and not as you have more easily highlighted. I remember it as clear as day because I questioned it. She probably didn't know either.

This could turn into one of those "what do the ticket office ever get right" threads!

However laudable your principles are now that you have more disposable income guaranteed, it doesn't seem economic sense to stick to them when you are offered tickets at a fixed price, ie the derby last year at £15 on the cup scheme, and those not on it had to pay the going rate of £45
Charity begins at home

 

[Mikeegrini]

I don't think the money issue is relevent to the cup scheme as it doesn't cost anything to join it and you may end up getting cheaper tickets.

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --

You don't get double points for joining the cup schemes, only for being on platinum

Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

10 points for gold cup scheme members
20 points for platinum cup scheme members
10 points for gold members not on the cup scheme
20 points for platinum members not on the cup scheme

40 points for a semi ticket, whys that then?
Edit I guess it's because it's an away game?

 

[squirtyflower]

Fair point it doesn't but it does require you to be in a situation whereby you need to have it upfront. I understand your credit card scenario but again thats not a viable option open to everyone. There are still supporters in the situation of going to all cup games but buying tickets out of the cup scheme. I myself had a bad couple of years, i'm self employed and every fucker thinks your therefore rolling in it but my customers not paying on time led me to never have money in the bank. Things have improved and Ive kept my business above water and now its in a much healthier situation and nowadays I could afford to have money on one side for cup schemes but won't on principal of gaining additional points to those who are not. Before I was losing ground on points to those that have the money upfront and feel its somehow wrong to now say the opposite Its really the only issue I have as offering cheaper tickets and first dibs in the semi's/finals etc I think is fair enough.

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm --



Don't you get double points for buying a cup ticket though? Thats what I was told.

10 points for gold cup scheme members
20 points for platinum cup scheme members
10 points for gold members not on the cup scheme
20 points for platinum members not on the cup scheme

40 points for a semi ticket, whys that then?
Edit I guess it's because it's an away game?

Your edit is correct