The Curious Case of Dele Alli | Emotional Overlap interview (p 19)

SebastianBlue said:
Credit to him for openly talking about his struggles, even if it was apparently forced by the gutter press. That wouldn’t have been easy.

I will say, though, based on things I have read, seen, and heard about his behaviour over the last few years, I think a few may be giving him a bit too much leniency. That is not to say empathy is in order for the hardships he has endured or that they don’t in some way explain some of his behaviour. As others have said—and I have I stated many times—you never know what is going on in another person’s head. Mental illness can cause all manner of oddities when observing from the outside. And he should be given support in his attempts to gain control and better his life.

But that doesn’t excuse a person of all responsibility for their decisions and actions.

He and I had a somewhat similar childhood, unfortunately, but had obviously different paths in adulthood that lead to different issues. We both have mental health disorders (and attempted suicide), though, I have been able to avoid addiction, apart from some behaviours with OCD. Who knows if that would have been the case had I been suddenly thrust in to the world of global celebrity. And I now have a progressive, degenerative disease that means I struggle to move and may see me pass before my son reaches an age where he’ll remember me at all. I will admit I have suicidal ideations often now, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I know many other people that have had childhoods similar to mine and his—and who also struggle with mental health issues and severe disease in adulthood—that have lead relatively upstanding lives. And a few that have done some very questionable things (my father being one of them, to put it mildly). Most didn’t have to endure the perils of fame, mind, so that is something to consider.

But, ultimately, we shouldn’t use a person’s mental health and tough upbringing to absolve them of agency and responsibility. That is similar to the crazies in the US that blame gun violence solely on mental health. It devalues the efforts of those that have struggled with similar challenges and haven’t acted in negative or dangerous ways.

I genuinely hope he is now on a path of healing, is able to find more peace in his life and profession, and manages to right the ship. He is deserving of support for those efforts and he definitely has mine. But he is still responsible for everything he has done and will do, as all adults are, regardless of the possible explanations.

So I will reserve judgment on whether he becomes someone I will admire.

I hope he does. Though, I may not be around to see it.
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Feel free to dm me anytime,

Although diff situations

Our outcomes sound similar x
 
Crooked_rain said:
To be fair, his decline started at about 22-23 years old, we never really saw if he could go on to dictate the game like they did as they got more experienced. Kevin de bruyne couldn't even get a game at Chelsea at that age, so you need time and experience to learn and show that you can run games.

Yeah stats don't tell a full picture, but they were more impressive than most of theirs at that stage, and he was getting a lot of assists which shows he had plenty to his game. So had he gained more general game experience, he may have become what you claimed he wasn't.

In my opinion, he had the ability to be a top player and for a few years he showed it on the pitch.
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Kev made the wrong choice in joining Chelsea earlier on but did thrive in the Bundesliga which is hardly a weak league and had more to his game than driving forward with the ball and making decent runs in the final third.
 
Nellies left peg said:
Everton done a fantastic job ? Yeah found he wasn’t cutting the mustard so loaned him out to a team in Turkey where he would get zero support. Brilliant
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We don't know if Everton were aware of the full picture when this loan was sanctioned. Dele himself mentions that Everton have been fantastic and that he will be indebted to them whatever happens. He has gone into rehabilitation following the end of the Besiktas loan.
 
Nellies left peg said:
Everton done a fantastic job ? Yeah found he wasn’t cutting the mustard so loaned him out to a team in Turkey where he would get zero support. Brilliant
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He has just stated he has only just recognised and asked for help after his injury in Turkey. We are shite on the pitch but no way would we pull something like that off it. We are brilliant with mental health stuff, its at the forefront of EITC. He said we have been amazing and whatever happens he will always be thankful to the club.

Ive seen some of our fans accuse Spurs of the same but I dont see how the clubs are at fault if players are hiding these issues. Im just glad for him he has finally got help.
 
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A sports psychologist interviewed on the radio said he knew Ali had a drug problem 3-4 years ago and was surprised the club ie Spurs were not aware and had they tried to keep it quiet .He was quickly shut down by Twatterface. The guy said the signs were clear for all to see and he had dealt with addiction in football for 20 odd years
 
Nellies left peg said:
A sports psychologist interviewed on the radio said he knew Ali had a drug problem 3-4 years ago and was surprised the club ie Spurs were not aware and had they tried to keep it quiet .He was quickly shut down by Twatterface. The guy said the signs were clear for all to see and he had dealt with addiction in football for 20 odd years
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FFS I even spotted this around 4 years ago and was laughed out of town by a group of mates at the time when discussing it. Dele is a very vulnerable young person and glad to see he's got the help he needs. Hopefully this inspires others to reach out for help and get their life back on track. You can still achieve great things with a chequered past.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Credit to him for openly talking about his struggles, even if it was apparently forced by the gutter press. That wouldn’t have been easy.

I will say, though, based on things I have read, seen, and heard about his behaviour over the last few years, I think a few may be giving him a bit too much leniency. That is not to say empathy is in order for the hardships he has endured or that they don’t in some way explain some of his behaviour. As others have said—and I have I stated many times—you never know what is going on in another person’s head. Mental illness can cause all manner of oddities when observing from the outside. And he should be given support in his attempts to gain control and better his life.

But that doesn’t excuse a person of all responsibility for their decisions and actions.

He and I had a somewhat similar childhood, unfortunately, but had obviously different paths in adulthood that lead to different issues. We both have mental health disorders (and attempted suicide), though, I have been able to avoid addiction, apart from some behaviours with OCD. Who knows if that would have been the case had I been suddenly thrust in to the world of global celebrity. And I now have a progressive, degenerative disease that means I struggle to move and may see me pass before my son reaches an age where he’ll remember me at all. I will admit I have suicidal ideations often now, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I know many other people that have had childhoods similar to mine and his—and who also struggle with mental health issues and severe disease in adulthood—that have lead relatively upstanding lives. And a few that have done some very questionable things (my father being one of them, to put it mildly). Most didn’t have to endure the perils of fame, mind, so that is something to consider.

But, ultimately, we shouldn’t use a person’s mental health and tough upbringing to absolve them of agency and responsibility. That is similar to the crazies in the US that blame gun violence solely on mental health. It devalues the efforts of those that have struggled with similar challenges and haven’t acted in negative or dangerous ways.

I genuinely hope he is now on a path of healing, is able to find more peace in his life and profession, and manages to right the ship. He is deserving of support for those efforts and he definitely has mine. But he is still responsible for everything he has done and will do, as all adults are, regardless of the possible explanations.

So I will reserve judgment on whether he becomes someone I will admire.

I hope he does. Though, I may not be around to see it.
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Best wishes mate.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
There’s always one isn’t there.
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I’ve no time for him as he has behaved like a total tool his whole career and if the boot was on the other foot he would not give a fuck about anyone else. I suspect the Sun or other shite newspaper was about to out him so he has done this interview with ratboy
 
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