The Derby Post Match Thread

United looked sharper, and to be honest, I feared the worse when it went 4-1.

However, since selling De Jong, Barry and even Garcia, our line-up has always appeared overladen with attackers and attacking midfielders, regardless of formation or personnel. This kind of defeat has been on the cards for a while
 
Dear players

dear players

ok if you want to prove points about our tactically useless manager and want to not perform so that he gets the sack but please have the sense, pride and dignity not to do it in the derby so that we get embarrassed by a real shit team

although it hurts losing v barca, Liverpool, burnley and palace, I understand that you are trying to make a point that his systems do not work but to do it in a derby is a crime, you showed what could happen in the first 20 minutes when you try and care but the rest is not acceptable at any level

we as fans spend money we sometimes do not have to follow you home and away, also in Europe, we do not deserve the shit you all served up today and if im honest I find it hard to see how some of you can turn it around and redain our faith and support

Pull your fingers out and win the next six games and get us third at least

im trying hard to stay polite !!!
 
rnblade said:
Not one rag got booked either! Surprise surprise, yet one little tug by us and it's yellow.
VK was lucky it wasn't red.
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Fellatio should have had a straight red for his 'trademark' fookin elbow to head..
How the thuggish tw@t gets away with it, week in, week out, is a mystery to me...
 
ballinio said:
@BluePhil8 said:
I don’t even know where to start.

If you analyse this season you can split it in to three very clear segments.

1. August through to November.
This period acted as a nice prelude to the rest of the season: losing to Arsenal in the Community Shield, losing at home to Stoke in the League, going out of the Capital One Cup at home to Newcastle and nearly capitulating completely in Europe by failing to record a single win in our opening four group games.

2. November through to December.
Without doubt the pinnacle of our season. We won every game during these two months except for two: a draw against Burnley in the League and a loss to CSKA in Europe. Somehow we managed to claw back the gap against Chelsea and scrape through our group in Europe.

3. January to now.
Our record: Played 17 Won 6 Draw 3 Lost 8
This includes a humiliating FA Cup exit to Middlesbrough at home and two convincing defeats against Barcelona.

It just speaks for itself. This period now is the worst it has been since the takeover in 2008. I could accept Hughes drawing 8 in a row, we still had Kelvin Etuhu and a whole host of average players. This is unacceptable in the strongest possible way.

I just want to break down our transfer spending since Txiki Begiristain arrived at the club in October 2012.

Fernandinho £30,000,000
Sagna Free
Fernando £12,000,000
Demichellis £2,500,000
Negredo £20,000,000
Jovetic £22,000,000
Navas £15,000,000
Caballero £6,000,000
Lampard Free
Zuculini £3,000,000
Mangala £32,000,000
Bony £28,000,000

Total expenditure £170,500,000 in three years, on twelve players. From the above players only three were in the first eleven today: Fernandinho, Navas and Demichellis, the rest were signed by Garry Cook and Mancini. Any City fan who has the cheek to claim Financial Fair Play has hampered us is deluding themselves. Whilst we spend the night away on average squad players, we are releasing players for free in most cases.

Carlos Tevez £10,000,000
K.Toure Free
Pantillimon Free
Lescott Free
Barry £2,000,000
Nastasic £6,000,000
Richards Free
Guidetti Free

The club is being ran in a shambolic way by the Director of Football and our manager. This regression started soon after Garry Cook left. Can we entrust £150,000,000 to rebuild this team with these two baboons? All of the evidence suggests we would be insane to do so. The funny thing is, some City fans on Bluemoon will actually support Pellegrini through this and anyone that wants him sacked will be sneered at by a select few. We’ve got executives coming out saying we will always play attractive football win lose or draw, don’t make me laugh, the football is turgid, unattractive and lacks any intensity.

Today, Burnley, Palace, Stoke, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. I’ve actually been ashamed of the teams performances in all of these games. The players out there, every last one of them except Aguero and Silva have displayed this season that they don’t have the heart to play for this club. It’s going to be a tough summer but Yaya, Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic and Lampard will all have to leave. If it was fiscally possible I would also be binning Fernando and Sagna. Kompany and Zabaleta I will give the benefit of the doubt but only because they have been loyal servants to us and I seriously blame Pellegrini for our shambolic defending. Lopez, Pozo, Denayer will all have to play squad parts next season if we run out of money. They might not be good enough but we’ll never blood them if they are out on loan every year. I’d rather play a shit academy player than a shit £12,000,000 player like Fernando.

Another thing that has beat me down is the absolute apathy emanating from the club. No urgency from the board to take action, backing the teams performances whilst we slide down the table, Pellegrini saying we are playing well when we’ve won 6 in 17, the fans not caring when we get leathered in Europe. Everything about the club just radiates “who gives a shit?” This is personified by the absolute wankers who ring 5Live, TalkSPORT and GMR and say “well at least we don’t have to play Barnet in League 2 anymore, I was there you know!!!”

I’m losing track here but I am absolutely fuming at our slide from the best team in England, with a serious opportunity to begin a dynasty stretching out for years, to being out fought by wank players like Young, Fellaini, Blind, Smalling and Jones. Every single person at the club should be ashamed of themselves tonight and the fans should demand better by demanding this pudding of a manager is sacked before he takes us right out of the top 4 with his 442 shit.

Thanks for the memories but this side and management structure must be dissembled. Khaldoon, do the business and get rid of the DoF and the manager and move heaven and earth to install Ancelotti and give him full control.
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fantastic post, I agree totally .
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Absolutely spot on post. Completely agree
 
Blue Elmo said:
That is the first time I can ever remember that I have sat and watched a derby without an excruciating anxiety in my stomach. Why? Because there was no point during that game where I felt we were going to win. Even at 2-1 I wanted it to finish because you could see it only getting worse. There is zero passion in that team and Robbie Savage hit the nail when he said we were awful without the ball.

First 20 minutes proved we are technically better than that Rag team. But we were out worked and done on graft and pressing today. Watch the rags press and compare it to what we do. They press the man on the ball and then anticipate where the next pass is going to go and they're ready to press it and you end up sending the long ball. City send one man to the ball and that's it, a team can pass to the side and they're out.

The best teams impose their game on others. Bayern, Barca etc. press you to play THEIR game. United are certainly not the fucking elite of this world. That's a team of average players who have been well drilled in what to do. If that bag of shite with and Young and Fellaini can do it, why can't we? We are far too devoid of work, passion and desire and it's not good enough. In my opinion, we should be top of this league or at least second. In terms of technical ability, we are up there. We're where we are and losing out to teams because they work harder than we do and simply want it more.

In regard to the big issue of the manager, he is a nice, honest guy. Last season, he had a good, motivated team. They were on the back of a bad year and had the natural reaction of going for he league again. This year he has a team a year older, on the back of a World Cup, and one who seemingly don't have the mental strength to sustain their success. It's the spitting image of Mancini's tenure. And I do not believe two esteemed managers will have made the same errors in motivating and inspiring performance in this team. I believe these players struggle to go again and for a lack of performance I do not blame the manager.

However, where the manager takes full responsibility is not dealing with the problem he faces. If you have a team that's not playing well and a system and style of play that's not working, CHANGE IT. I hate to give the man credit, but Rodgers at Liverpool had a shit start to the season and he changed the system and players because of it. Here we have Toure causing problems defensively and zero width or pace in the attack. But instead of trying to change, he has stuck with the same style of play and persisted until we've got bitten. Today it was obvious where the rags threat would lie in Fellaini and the left channel. Neville has banged on about it for weeks, yet Pellegrini sticks his least reliable defensively minded midfielder on him? Even when it's going wrong in the game he makes no change. He appears oblivious to what's going on and refuses to make a change. I have no doubt he can coach pretty football, and I don't wish to do him a disservice because I believe he is a very good coach, but in only coaching one style and brand of football. We have no plan B and it tells.

You can argue a case that the players that have been bought for him arguably limit the system he can play, so in the summer I was hoping that buying some younger players, hopefully with pace would help him change how we play, and for all I know it still might. But my confidence in him is gone, particularly as a tactician. I was willing to give him a year and try, and then take the best around in Guardiola, but after today, his post is untenable. He has lost the players entirely. I think like it will be with a majority of the players themselves, it's a case of thank you and goodbye for the manager.

We need passion on the pitch and with the manager; someone who can transmit that to the stands and to the fans. You go to games at the minute and playing Bluemoon before the game is now an indicator for people to sit down as opposed to standing up and belting their hearts out. There needs to be big change around the club and I think this result today will finally hammer it home.
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Agreed. Its amazing how much passion can be transmitted to the players and fans from the manager. Our lot look over at MP and see disinterested old man having a kip. This next appointmeent is absolutely critical for our club, I just hope to fuck we make the right choice.
 
shallyman said:
@BluePhil8 said:
I don’t even know where to start.

If you analyse this season you can split it in to three very clear segments.

1. August through to November.
This period acted as a nice prelude to the rest of the season: losing to Arsenal in the Community Shield, losing at home to Stoke in the League, going out of the Capital One Cup at home to Newcastle and nearly capitulating completely in Europe by failing to record a single win in our opening four group games.

2. November through to December.
Without doubt the pinnacle of our season. We won every game during these two months except for two: a draw against Burnley in the League and a loss to CSKA in Europe. Somehow we managed to claw back the gap against Chelsea and scrape through our group in Europe.

3. January to now.
Our record: Played 17 Won 6 Draw 3 Lost 8
This includes a humiliating FA Cup exit to Middlesbrough at home and two convincing defeats against Barcelona.

It just speaks for itself. This period now is the worst it has been since the takeover in 2008. I could accept Hughes drawing 8 in a row, we still had Kelvin Etuhu and a whole host of average players. This is unacceptable in the strongest possible way.

I just want to break down our transfer spending since Txiki Begiristain arrived at the club in October 2012.

Fernandinho £30,000,000
Sagna Free
Fernando £12,000,000
Demichellis £2,500,000
Negredo £20,000,000
Jovetic £22,000,000
Navas £15,000,000
Caballero £6,000,000
Lampard Free
Zuculini £3,000,000
Mangala £32,000,000
Bony £28,000,000

Total expenditure £170,500,000 in three years, on twelve players. From the above players only three were in the first eleven today: Fernandinho, Navas and Demichellis, the rest were signed by Garry Cook and Mancini. Any City fan who has the cheek to claim Financial Fair Play has hampered us is deluding themselves. Whilst we spend the night away on average squad players, we are releasing players for free in most cases.

Carlos Tevez £10,000,000
K.Toure Free
Pantillimon Free
Lescott Free
Barry £2,000,000
Nastasic £6,000,000
Richards Free
Guidetti Free

The club is being ran in a shambolic way by the Director of Football and our manager. This regression started soon after Garry Cook left. Can we entrust £150,000,000 to rebuild this team with these two baboons? All of the evidence suggests we would be insane to do so. The funny thing is, some City fans on Bluemoon will actually support Pellegrini through this and anyone that wants him sacked will be sneered at by a select few. We’ve got executives coming out saying we will always play attractive football win lose or draw, don’t make me laugh, the football is turgid, unattractive and lacks any intensity.

Today, Burnley, Palace, Stoke, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. I’ve actually been ashamed of the teams performances in all of these games. The players out there, every last one of them except Aguero and Silva have displayed this season that they don’t have the heart to play for this club. It’s going to be a tough summer but Yaya, Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic and Lampard will all have to leave. If it was fiscally possible I would also be binning Fernando and Sagna. Kompany and Zabaleta I will give the benefit of the doubt but only because they have been loyal servants to us and I seriously blame Pellegrini for our shambolic defending. Lopez, Pozo, Denayer will all have to play squad parts next season if we run out of money. They might not be good enough but we’ll never blood them if they are out on loan every year. I’d rather play a shit academy player than a shit £12,000,000 player like Fernando.

Another thing that has beat me down is the absolute apathy emanating from the club. No urgency from the board to take action, backing the teams performances whilst we slide down the table, Pellegrini saying we are playing well when we’ve won 6 in 17, the fans not caring when we get leathered in Europe. Everything about the club just radiates “who gives a shit?” This is personified by the absolute wankers who ring 5Live, TalkSPORT and GMR and say “well at least we don’t have to play Barnet in League 2 anymore, I was there you know!!!”

I’m losing track here but I am absolutely fuming at our slide from the best team in England, with a serious opportunity to begin a dynasty stretching out for years, to being out fought by wank players like Young, Fellaini, Blind, Smalling and Jones. Every single person at the club should be ashamed of themselves tonight and the fans should demand better by demanding this pudding of a manager is sacked before he takes us right out of the top 4 with his 442 shit.

Thanks for the memories but this side and management structure must be dissembled. Khaldoon, do the business and get rid of the DoF and the manager and move heaven and earth to install Ancelotti and give him full control.
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Lot's of people expecting a big shake up in the summer need to take note that most of those 12 average signings (bar Lampard) are on 4 year contracts.
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Completely agree with the above. Our performance at a strategic level has been woeful ever since our first Title. But before we go and rely on the cheque book as the answer I think we should take a closer look at today and the lessons to learn. This afternoon we were well beaten regardless of refereeing decisions by effectively the same players who we demolished last season. For all of their spending the starting line up of the rags this afternoon didn't include ANY of their big name signings in the summer. Only two, Harrera and Blind started today but the difference wasn't the players. The difference was the shape, the discipline, the understanding and desire of how to win the game and as a result of the previous their belief and desire.

This comes from the manager and not the cheque book.
 
tbarber said:
Silva, aguero, fernandinho fought like tigers, didn't think yaya was that bad, sprayed some superb passes and made some good interceptions. The blame squarely on pellegrini, plays toure in the wrong position for a 31 yr old. Our defence is abysmal but this is because of the kamikaze approach by pellegrini. He has a team that is way less than the sum of its parts.
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spot on its Brian Horton tactics! all he has to do is tell one of the midfielders to stay in front of the back four but know he has the whole fucking team in the opposition half! also I can't stand this being a nice bloke it give the team no advantage what's so ever! woman moan and fucking have a go at referees because they screw us over anyway!
 
Feel a very strange mixture of despondent and devastated.

No quick fix either, because it's not just Pellers who is fucking shit (and he is), the players have seemingly turned to shit as well.

January 1st seems such a long time ago, now.

From joint top to battling for 4th with that shower of shite 4 points clear of us. Something (ANYTHING) needs to be done, and, for me, Pellers has to be sacked in the morning. And even that might not save our season.

We miss out on the Champions League it sets us back 5 years.

Horrible day. Just fucking horrible.
 
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