The end of the Conservative Party?

It seems that the Tories problem, in addition to incompetence, corruption and lack of integrity, was that they completely abandoned the centre. They were emboldened by Brexit and infiltrated by the far right. They maintained their popularity for a while, riding the Brexit wave. However, they presumed that they could continue pushing the party further to the right, thinking they had awoken latent far right attitudes in the public. Especially among white northerners outside of the major cities. They went too far. The public just wanted things to improve. We were always going to get to the point where slogans and attacks on the EU, French, immigrants etc., would not be enough for the electorate in a time of crisis. Far right politics rarely delivers solutions in a crisis because the ideology is based on deceit, hatred, corruption and exploitation led by ideologues and their acolytes.

Hopefully, the election will signal the end of the far right in mainstream British politics for a long time.

It would be nice to think this is now the time British politics moves to the left from where it is now with a focus on higher taxes for those who can afford them (not just the wealthy), high quality public services, cutting defence spend and becoming a country that does much better in looking after the vulnerable.
 
If they give the top job to Sue Ellen or Kemi as a lot seem to want to the Tories will be irrelevant as the Monster Raving Loonies in electoral terms - I am starting to think that is the Labour strategy - let them unleash the uber **** and destroy themselves
 
bluethrunthru said:
If they give the top job to Sue Ellen or Kemi as a lot seem to want to the Tories will be irrelevant as the Monster Raving Loonies in electoral terms - I am starting to think that is the Labour strategy - let them unleash the uber **** and destroy themselves
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Of course. This is right out of the David Cameron playbook. Cameron was Tory leader for ages without saying a single thing about his policies. He just waited for Labour to implode and took the top job by default, only revealing his policies when the election was called. Starmer is doing the same. Don't forget that it was Labour who proposed this vote tonight, knowing it would cause chaos in the Tory ranks.

On the wider point, hopefully they'll be out of government for a long time. But let's face it, people with money, power and media companies like the Tories to be in power, so they're never going away. But hopefully they come back a bit more humble, rather than the raving, arrogant, far-right shit tip they are now.
 
Gabriel said:
Electoral reform would splinter the Conservatives into pieces, but Labour fears the exact same would happen to them, so they’ll win but preserve the status quo and all that entails.
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Already happened with the Labour Party to be fair, first with the SDP split in the early 80s, then Blair’s shift to the right in the 90s, which purged much of the Labour left.The Greens are another example of Labour principles but focused on a specific issue, and what are the SNP if not a Scottish nationalist labour party?

You could argue it’s the Tory’s refusal to polarise that could lead to its downfall. Their biggest strength could become their biggest weakness: they’ve maintained their identity, we all know what they’re about, but it’s almost become too focused around objectives that are becoming alien to many, as capitalism concentrates its winners and losers into an ever dwindling group. If they won’t genuinely represent the diversity of their constituents what’s the point in voting for them? Aside from that, Europe’s always been a divisive issue for them. For the Tories, evolution probably means splitting.

Before Boris was elected, the electorate were showing signs of voting for electoral reform via the back door anyway; no more huge majorities. I’m guessing that’ll continue, now they know what going all in Tory means.
 
law74 said:
With the rumours of bullying and manhandling of Tory MP's in the House of Commons this evening, if proven (& far too much happening and being reported for nothing to have happened), added to the current polls, and fractional warfare within the tories, is this the end of not just this government, but the entire "conservative" party?
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Would be about the tenth time people have suggested as such since I was in nappies and during that time they’ve managed to win every election where they didn’t stand against Tony Blair, so unlikely. But the whole lot of them at the top are absolutely fucking useless.
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
Already happened with the Labour Party to be fair, first with the SDP split in the early 80s, then Blair’s shift to the right in the 90s, which purged much of the Labour left.The Greens are another example of Labour principles but focused on a specific issue, and what are the SNP if not a Scottish nationalist labour party?

You could argue it’s the Tory’s refusal to polarise that could lead to its downfall. Their biggest strength could become their biggest weakness: they’ve maintained their identity, we all know what they’re about, but it’s almost become too focused around objectives that are becoming alien to many, as capitalism concentrates its winners and losers into an ever dwindling group. If they won’t genuinely represent the diversity of their constituents what’s the point in voting for them? Aside from that, Europe’s always been a divisive issue for them. For the Tories, evolution probably means splitting.

Before Boris was elected, the electorate were showing signs of voting for electoral reform via the back door anyway; no more huge majorities. I’m guessing that’ll continue, now they know what going all in Tory means.
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The right wing machine is above stuff like diversity. Being a selfish prick transcends skin color and borders. Right wing parties have a huge influence across many countries.
 
BayernMan said:
The right wing machine is above stuff like diversity. Being a selfish prick transcends skin color and borders. Right wing parties have a huge influence across many countries.
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Diversity isn’t just about ethnicity and race, that’s a very narrow definition. It’s about sex, age, social background etc. If they’re only representing white, middle aged, middle England and big business, they’ll either change or perish.

The influence you’re talking about does exist though, especially through the media. It’s up to the electorate how they react to that. How many times can you trick people into thinking that there’s only one way? I don’t know, I’m beginning to wonder whether the electorate are a bunch of masochists.
 
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west didsblue said:
No sympathy for any of them. They were all there enabling Johnson to break the law and to ride roughshod over the future of the country and now they’re angry because their jobs are at stake.
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In fairness to Walker, he’s already standing down at the next election, and while this clip only sees him speak about the Conservatives, he’s the kind of MP whose focus is on his constituents and the pressures on the country.
 
Gabriel said:
In fairness to Walker, he’s already standing down at the next election, and while this clip only sees him speak about the Conservatives, he’s the kind of MP whose focus is on his constituents and the pressures on the country.
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I don't really know anything about Walker's record, but let's just say that it's easy to be critical when you're leaving. Having said that, he sort of sums up the problem with politics when he talks about his 17 year record as an MP having never been given a job in the cabinet, while people who say the right thing (or probably more accurately know the right people) are repeatedly promoted beyond their talents.
 
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