The end of the Conservative Party?

Eccles Blue said:
The way things are going at the moment, with MPs being manhandled by their own party members and the chaos that is happening I can.......... although maybe you meant me having a break and leaving the country? :-)

By the way, has anyone seen (Un) Trusty since yesterday morning?
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Wouldn’t blame getting out of here one bit, I’m thinking of asking them to up the dose on my GA next week and just leaving me asleep.
 
Eccles Blue said:
NO, NO,NO don’t even joke about that. We need you here to keep us all on the straight and narrow!
Also we need you here to counteract my daft postings! :-)
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It’s hard to stay positive when you’ve been stuck in hospital for a month seeing the county falling apart, I’ll cheer up when I get home.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve never got that argument about having ‘extremists’ in Parliament being a bad thing. If they represent a reasonable proportion of the population. Why shouldn’t Parliament have communists in if enough people support that?
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You travel around the country like me. So you get a flavour of different places and their political feelings. To have a truly representative parliament people of all political persuasions should have a voice in there. That way we have honesty on what the people of this country stand for.
 
Gaudion M said:
They have been pandering to the hard right since Cameron agreed to the Brexit Ref. Its been a tawdry slide down that road ever since. Suella as Home Sec just summed it all up. She is not up to any cabinet job let alone high office.

We are at the stage where such incompetents run the party and the lack of ability so crystal clear that the moderates who have been sat on their hands are starting to wrestle back control. But they have made their bed and the nasty right wing grifters and agitators are going to come for them. So yes they are in grave danger of splitting.

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Well the right wingers got their brexit and they got truss and quarteng installed to carry out the coup-de-grace.
Their plan however has fallen apart.
It’s going to be interesting to see which way the Tory party goes.
Does the ERG and its assorted lunatic supporters stay in the Tory party and turn it into UKIP mk2, or do the remaining moderates seize back power as they seem to be attempting now.
I can’t see the ideologues and zealots of the free marketeers just giving up on their beliefs and disappearing into the night after this debacle, but do they attempt to stay and push even further right.
An ideological fight for the soul and future of the tories, and it looks -so far- that they are more likely to pull themselves apart.
 
metalblue said:
No chance. The only time Labour get into power these days is when they pretend to be the Tories or the Tories implode on themselves. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the alternatives.
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I think we need a complete sea change in UK politics. I don’t trust any of the party’s …all too similar.

The tories need at least a term out of office to sort themselves out…..of course the right thing to do would be to announce a snap GE…..that won’t happen though, too much self interest.
 
Tory dogma. We're all in this together, aren't we, But remember, and repeat several times a day so that, eventually, you understand:-
All kunts are equal, but, some kunts are more equal than others.
 
mat said:
Labour party members want it. The PLP doesn't. Probably because some have got a nice cushy number whilst in opposition.

Give me a system that represents the whole country. Not just a binary left or right, as a lot of people are left on moral policies and right on economic ones. Plus a couple of official fascists, commies, and greens in there would liven the place up.
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Interesting. Other than identifying economic opinion, that binary left/right is inadequate and doesn’t work anymore (if it ever did) as a political measure. Left and right can’t really be applied to social attitudes. Authoritarian to libertarian is probably a better indicator. Le Pen’s party is described as the far right, but her economics are left wing, it’s her party’s social attitudes which are extreme. (I’d say a lot of Labour voters who turned at the last election have left wing economic opinions but veer towards ‘right wing’ authoritarian social attitudes and soft nationalism).

And because our system is so binary it’s therefore a short term game to stay in power, MPs herded to behave in a certain way etc. PR not perfect, but better than what we have. In a weird way the House of Lords is a better example of grown up, serious politics. Go beyond the ridiculous inbred hereditary peers and there’s a lot of talent and expertise (and collaboration to an extent) which can create better policy.

But ultimately it’d just be nice to have a talented and intelligent MP in it for the collective good rather than being just another Tory Boy on the up.
 
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