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QQ: 2 trillion "lost" yesterday-where has the money actually gone??
The quick answer is that it was never really there in the first place. Market capitalisation is a value placed by traders on the stock based on likely future earnings. If you sell in small quantities then you can realise that value, but if everyone sells at once then nobody is buying and the value goes down until it gets to a level that someone now thinks it is actually worth.

So all this 'the stock market is worth £Xtrillion' is all notional.
 
I was reading an LSE board late 2019 and the talk around GGP was massive, I made a small investment via trading 212 and the share price went from about 1.6 to 33 over the course of a few months, couldn’t believe it, I sold with a very nice profit. Like you say though it’s always best to DYOR.
Well done getting out near the top. Back in 2019 there was a lot of hype due to the discovery of the Havieron gold mine and lots of unrealistic expectations about a small explorer turning into a large producer.

Reality kicked in and the price dropped from a peak of 39p down to around 5p over the next 3 or 4 years, after they needed to sell 70% of the mine to enable a larger producer to invest in bringing it to production.

However in the last couple of years following a decision by the majority owner to divest it, they have managed to buy back the 70% along with the gold processing plant at nearby Telfer along with Telfer mine. Since then they have found lots of new gold at Telfer and are making lots of money processing gold ore that came with the purchase.

The results for the first quarter of 2025 which is the first full quarter under their ownership are due out this month which should boost the SP further. A cross listing on ASX mid year will bring in new Australian institutional investors which should also boost the SP further.

I’ve been averaging down following a small purchase in 2020 and a longer term holding via an investment company and now I have a significant holding with an average price of 6.1p. Fully expecting it to rise much further than the current price of around 12p. For me it’s currently offsetting the carnage elsewhere due to Trump although it’s taken a bit of a hit today along with everything else.

With the gold price near an all time high I can’t see anything but upside with this share but as with everything people need to look at it carefully before investing.
 
Thanks. But it was done because I got cold feet over Israel/Iran and the threat to global trade because of a threat to the Straits of Hormuz.

QQ: 2 trillion "lost" yesterday-where has the money actually gone??
It's all in the either. The money was lost of the value. But it's like the way your car losses value as it gets old sat on your driveway. You don't see it happen. But it did really happen.

Most Americans have their own self invested pensions, a specific account called a 401k. They see it through apps on their phones. So many of them will be taking a look over the weekend and will basically have to work for several more years as a result of what has happened this week to get that money back.
 
Well done getting out near the top. Back in 2019 there was a lot of hype due to the discovery of the Havieron gold mine and lots of unrealistic expectations about a small explorer turning into a large producer.

Reality kicked in and the price dropped from a peak of 39p down to around 5p over the next 3 or 4 years, after they needed to sell 70% of the mine to enable a larger producer to invest in bringing it to production.

However in the last couple of years following a decision by the majority owner to divest it, they have managed to buy back the 70% along with the gold processing plant at nearby Telfer along with Telfer mine. Since then they have found lots of new gold at Telfer and are making lots of money processing gold ore that came with the purchase.

The results for the first quarter of 2025 which is the first full quarter under their ownership are due out this month which should boost the SP further. A cross listing on ASX mid year will bring in new Australian institutional investors which should also boost the SP further.

I’ve been averaging down following a small purchase in 2020 and a longer term holding via an investment company and now I have a significant holding with an average price of 6.1p. Fully expecting it to rise much further than the current price of around 12p. For me it’s currently offsetting the carnage elsewhere due to Trump although it’s taken a bit of a hit today along with everything else.

With the gold price near an all time high I can’t see anything but upside with this share but as with everything people need to look at it carefully before investing.
The one risk you maybe under estimating is hidden in your post. The value of gold mining stocks is very much linked to the value of gold...
 
The one risk you maybe under estimating is hidden in your post. The value of gold mining stocks is very much linked to the value of gold...
True, however a turbulent world is good for gold, and even if Trump winds his neck in it’s not going to reduce uncertainty for the next few years. Just my opinion.
 
Thanks. But it was done because I got cold feet over Israel/Iran and the threat to global trade because of a threat to the Straits of Hormuz.

QQ: 2 trillion "lost" yesterday-where has the money actually gone??
It’s in the iCloud
 
True, however a turbulent world is good for gold, and even if Trump winds his neck in it’s not going to reduce uncertainty for the next few years. Just my opinion.
You've played it well to this point but if all the money exiting the stock market is going into gold now, given the scale of that sell off. It can only really go the other way at some point.

Especially when Trump has form for wildly lurching from one thing to another.

My guess is Trump will start easing back from this plan and when the markets correct he will claim credit for all the upward momentum.

In your shoes, I'd look to sell sometime soon.
 
True, however a turbulent world is good for gold, and even if Trump winds his neck in it’s not going to reduce uncertainty for the next few years. Just my opinion.
This is the issue with this particular crash. When a "world event" triggers a big down turn, for example covid, you can be pretty sure it's a blip on a long timeline, so the perceived wisdom advice of sitting tight is something which can be done with reasonable certainty that in a relatively short time, the universe will have righted itself.

This time we have an event triggered by a cretin, with the full support of further cretins ready to step into his shoes should he do what 99% of the world is currently hoping for. Because of this there is no time limit, no forecast as to when there will be an upturn. The closest thing to what is happening here was the great depression which lasted 10 years.

For those of us without that time before the money invested becomes necessary to feed us, it's tempting to take the loss as it is and move into cash for a few years, thereby taking another loss
 
For those of us without that time before the money invested becomes necessary to feed us, it's tempting to take the loss as it is and move into cash for a few years, thereby taking another loss
This has always been my worry about investing in stocks. The advice 'it always goes up over the long term' works really well for rich people. For ordinary people, however, if you just happen to be unlucky enough to be retiring during a downturn, you're fucked. The other classic scenario is that someone loses their job due to economic downturn, and need to live off some of their savings, but the very thing that caused them to lose their job has also wiped out the value of their safety net.
 
At least bonds seem to be doing their risk reducing job which they haven’t always done in recent years.

When I first started in this industry in 1987, I worked at Nat West in their investment department. Six weeks or so after starting, the stock market crash happened. It was brutal, but in those days there was no instant access to valuations etc…many of the bank clients will have heard the news but they didn’t have email, didn’t have mobile phones and didn’t receive more than one valuation a year. Many wouldn’t have even have known that their investments were down by 20% plus in just 2 days! Nowadays of course we have 24/7 rolling news, valuations on apps on our phones and the Media battering minds with negative stories.

Since then, this has happened time and time again (00/08/2020 come to mind straight away) and it’s always uncomfortable viewing ! However, markets do tend to recover and it’s usually just a case of how long this takes. If you are approaching retirement then it’s still only really important if you were planning to buy an annuity. If planning to drawdown from your pot then you don’t need to take it all in one go. You don’t need to take the tax-free cash in one go either so with a bit of sound judgement you can still ride out the storm mostly.

Even if you do plan to buy an annuity then perhaps think again on the timing and just take enough to keep you ticking over for a year until things settle down.

Hopefully it will be fairly short lived and countries will be trying to do deals left right and centre.
 
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well my retirement plans for next year look doubtful, i've lost so much i expect to have to work for a couple more years because of that Trump twat!!! (Those in the USA are no doubt in the same position)
 
The **** has cost me £4K today.
£20K in the last 2 months.
But Trump and his business mates are OK because they are millionaires, billionaires, and trilliansires.
It really is a shame the sniper missed Trump.
 
It's been a bad 2 days.
I've lost £1145 on my isa in 2 days.
I daren't look at my pension.
 
The **** has cost me £4K today.
£20K in the last 2 months.
But Trump and his business mates are OK because they are millionaires, billionaires, and trilliansires.
It really is a shame the sn
i feel your pain. i wanted to retire next year but my plans look to be fucked at the moment, That twat guy will probably be lining up a massive share purchase now they have dropped so much
 
This has always been my worry about investing in stocks. The advice 'it always goes up over the long term' works really well for rich people. For ordinary people, however, if you just happen to be unlucky enough to be retiring during a downturn, you're fucked. The other classic scenario is that someone loses their job due to economic downturn, and need to live off some of their savings, but the very thing that caused them to lose their job has also wiped out the value of their safety net.
In fairness, anyone retiring in around 5 years should probably have adjusted their pension to have it in the lowest risk category up until they retire.

If people haven't done that and are planning on retiring in 5 years, then there is still plenty of time in the market for it to be gained back.
 
i feel your pain. i wanted to retire next year but my plans look to be fucked at the moment, That twat guy will probably be lining up a massive share purchase now they have dropped so much
I retired Monday stopping drawdown and switching to cash reserves should be OK for a couple of years hope all sorted by then
 
This is the time to buy buy buy buy , shows about balanced portfolio and how risk adverse your funds are
 
The **** has cost me £4K today.
£20K in the last 2 months.
But Trump and his business mates are OK because they are millionaires, billionaires, and trilliansires.
It really is a shame the sniper missed Trump.
Similar figures, 10k in a week, near 25k in 8 weeks, I retired early nearly 2 years ago, I'm 60 in a few weeks and looking at the uncomfortable prospect of going back to work until this shitshow sorts itself out. I'll wait till winter though. I had a plan, it had allowances for bumps in the road, it didn't really have an allowance for a repeat of the great depression.

There isn't a mark on Shitgibbons ear, I'm not a conspiracy theorists by any stretch of the imagination, but I do believe there is a better than evens chance this was staged
 

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