TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:I disagree.
Focus is what we do. We all get a life and we equate our worthiness to what others do. If some guy earns more than you through hard work then fair enough. You do not have a leg to stand on. But if he is birth-righted/exploiting others to gain his wealth, then you entitled to feel annoyed.
I am noncompetitive/unambitious and easily satisfied but even I can see this.
I've never been affected by birth rights in a competitive working situation and I am struggling to see how it is relevant to a debate about what others earn.... you are talking about rare occurrences for very selective roles surely.
The only time I have seen discrimination was in the forces when anybody of an ethnic minority background, especially those who chose to play the race card often appeared to get advanced promotion...
Thats a discussion for another time as it has cock all to do with the election....
None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:Lucky13 said:Exactly , never have and never will, as for my worth , it's what my employer pays me.
I would establish a set of values if i were you. The employer pays what you're worth isn't a good argument.
How about the employer pays what you think you're worth?
Good luck with that philosophy...... I am all for pushing the boundaries but I am also aware that if I don't compromise i'll be making a rod for my own back...
TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:I disagree.
Focus is what we do. We all get a life and we equate our worthiness to what others do. If some guy earns more than you through hard work then fair enough. You do not have a leg to stand on. But if he is birth-righted/exploiting others to gain his wealth, then you entitled to feel annoyed.
I am noncompetitive/unambitious and easily satisfied but even I can see this.
I've never been affected by birth rights in a competitive working situation and I am struggling to see how it is relevant to a debate about what others earn.... you are talking about rare occurrences for very selective roles surely.
The only time I have seen discrimination was in the forces when anybody of an ethnic minority background, especially those who chose to play the race card often appeared to get advanced promotion...
Thats a discussion for another time as it has cock all to do with the election....
None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:I would establish a set of values if i were you. The employer pays what you're worth isn't a good argument.
How about the employer pays what you think you're worth?
Good luck with that philosophy...... I am all for pushing the boundaries but I am also aware that if I don't compromise i'll be making a rod for my own back...
You might earn decent money (enough to live satisfactorily) but what happens if you don't? You just say 'Oh well... the employer knows best... I'll eat my own feet cos that's what I'm worth.'
Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:I've never been affected by birth rights in a competitive working situation and I am struggling to see how it is relevant to a debate about what others earn.... you are talking about rare occurrences for very selective roles surely.
The only time I have seen discrimination was in the forces when anybody of an ethnic minority background, especially those who chose to play the race card often appeared to get advanced promotion...
Thats a discussion for another time as it has cock all to do with the election....
None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
The key point is that the rich will prosper under a Tory Government and also a Labour leadership... If Labour get in and they fuck up the decisions then guess what, the rich will take advantage of the situation because as somebody said earlier, they can weather the storm...
TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
The key point is that the rich will prosper under a Tory Government and also a Labour leadership... If Labour get in and they fuck up the decisions then guess what, the rich will take advantage of the situation because as somebody said earlier, they can weather the storm...
Indeedio! and that is fair to you? Unless you are heartless it can't be. The poor pay the price.
TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
The key point is that the rich will prosper under a Tory Government and also a Labour leadership... If Labour get in and they fuck up the decisions then guess what, the rich will take advantage of the situation because as somebody said earlier, they can weather the storm...
Indeedio! and that is fair to you? Unless you are heartless it can't be. The poor pay the price.
ICM have conducted a poll for the Guardian in Sheffield Hallam, seat of Nick Clegg.
Nick Clegg is on course to be saved from defeat in his Sheffield Hallam constituency by a tide of tactical Tory votes, according to a special Guardian/ICM poll conducted in the deputy prime minister’s constituency.
The poll puts Clegg on 42%, seven points clear of his young Labour rival, Oliver Coppard, who is on 35%. Ian Walker, the candidate for the Conservatives , is on 12%.
But Clegg achieves his seven-point lead only because almost half the people (48%) who say their nationwide preference is for the Conservatives are planning to support the Lib Dem.
When ICM asked voters which party they would prefer if they put the local context and candidates out of mind, Labour is out ahead, on 34%, with the Lib Dems on 32% and the Conservatives on 21%.
Labour Tory Liberal SNP doesn't matter, celebrity support for political parties are shite.Lucky13 said:karen7 said:Lucky13 said:Delia Smith introduced Ed the Red on to a stage as the PM , no need to vote on Thursday.
Instead of the #edstone the socialists should have put their policies in Hello.
You wouldn't be bothered if celebs were endorsing dave lol
With the risk of repeating myself Karen , anyone who votes for any Party because a Celebrity tells them to should be shot.
Brilliant.Ducado said:I hope this is not true, as him loosing his seat would be the highlight of Election Night
ICM have conducted a poll for the Guardian in Sheffield Hallam, seat of Nick Clegg.
Nick Clegg is on course to be saved from defeat in his Sheffield Hallam constituency by a tide of tactical Tory votes, according to a special Guardian/ICM poll conducted in the deputy prime minister’s constituency.
The poll puts Clegg on 42%, seven points clear of his young Labour rival, Oliver Coppard, who is on 35%. Ian Walker, the candidate for the Conservatives , is on 12%.
But Clegg achieves his seven-point lead only because almost half the people (48%) who say their nationwide preference is for the Conservatives are planning to support the Lib Dem.
When ICM asked voters which party they would prefer if they put the local context and candidates out of mind, Labour is out ahead, on 34%, with the Lib Dems on 32% and the Conservatives on 21%.
Ducado said:I hope this is not true, as him loosing his seat would be the highlight of Election Night
ICM have conducted a poll for the Guardian in Sheffield Hallam, seat of Nick Clegg.
Nick Clegg is on course to be saved from defeat in his Sheffield Hallam constituency by a tide of tactical Tory votes, according to a special Guardian/ICM poll conducted in the deputy prime minister’s constituency.
The poll puts Clegg on 42%, seven points clear of his young Labour rival, Oliver Coppard, who is on 35%. Ian Walker, the candidate for the Conservatives , is on 12%.
But Clegg achieves his seven-point lead only because almost half the people (48%) who say their nationwide preference is for the Conservatives are planning to support the Lib Dem.
When ICM asked voters which party they would prefer if they put the local context and candidates out of mind, Labour is out ahead, on 34%, with the Lib Dems on 32% and the Conservatives on 21%.
Gelsons Dad said:TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:I've never been affected by birth rights in a competitive working situation and I am struggling to see how it is relevant to a debate about what others earn.... you are talking about rare occurrences for very selective roles surely.
The only time I have seen discrimination was in the forces when anybody of an ethnic minority background, especially those who chose to play the race card often appeared to get advanced promotion...
Thats a discussion for another time as it has cock all to do with the election....
None of this shite has anything to do with the election...
But to you and Lucky... Do you not see yourselves as pawns in the game? And in this game Kings/Queen/Bishops are the same as you. Just lives. Don't get me wrong, I don't lose sleep over it, I'm not miserable over money. I care not for it. But the unfairness is there and how the rich prosper.. (the exploitation of other men) can't be ignored.
Pawns in a game!
Fucks sake get a grip of yourself. You have free will and opportunity, you just need to find the courage to take advantage.
Fucking pawns in a game....
SWP's back said:Brilliant.Ducado said:I hope this is not true, as him loosing his seat would be the highlight of Election Night
ICM have conducted a poll for the Guardian in Sheffield Hallam, seat of Nick Clegg.
Nick Clegg is on course to be saved from defeat in his Sheffield Hallam constituency by a tide of tactical Tory votes, according to a special Guardian/ICM poll conducted in the deputy prime minister’s constituency.
The poll puts Clegg on 42%, seven points clear of his young Labour rival, Oliver Coppard, who is on 35%. Ian Walker, the candidate for the Conservatives , is on 12%.
But Clegg achieves his seven-point lead only because almost half the people (48%) who say their nationwide preference is for the Conservatives are planning to support the Lib Dem.
When ICM asked voters which party they would prefer if they put the local context and candidates out of mind, Labour is out ahead, on 34%, with the Lib Dems on 32% and the Conservatives on 21%.
Tories have suffered tactical voting for years. And I like Nick Clegg anyway. Great deputy.
whp.blue said:TangerineSteve17 said:Bluemanc100 said:The key point is that the rich will prosper under a Tory Government and also a Labour leadership... If Labour get in and they fuck up the decisions then guess what, the rich will take advantage of the situation because as somebody said earlier, they can weather the storm...
Indeedio! and that is fair to you? Unless you are heartless it can't be. The poor pay the price.
No one ever said life is fair or easy?
TangerineSteve17 said:whp.blue said:TangerineSteve17 said:Indeedio! and that is fair to you? Unless you are heartless it can't be. The poor pay the price.
No one ever said life is fair or easy?
Yes! it isn't. So what is the point? We're all sentient beings bouncing around.. the least we can do is try to make it as fair as poss.
Basically if you providing a service (whatever that may be) and you're being paid more than you're worth from the person receiving, - then you're a twat.
TangerineSteve17 said:whp.blue said:TangerineSteve17 said:Indeedio! and that is fair to you? Unless you are heartless it can't be. The poor pay the price.
No one ever said life is fair or easy?
Yes! it isn't. So what is the point? We're all sentient beings bouncing around.. the least we can do is try to make it as fair as poss.
Basically if you providing a service (whatever that may be) and you're being paid more than you're worth from the person receiving, - then you're a twat.
Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:whp.blue said:No one ever said life is fair or easy?
Yes! it isn't. So what is the point? We're all sentient beings bouncing around.. the least we can do is try to make it as fair as poss.
Basically if you providing a service (whatever that may be) and you're being paid more than you're worth from the person receiving, - then you're a twat.
You are funny..... so basically you go out and charge less for your services than the competition.... that is your decision.
Flip this around for a second, you undercut a company who has to charge a higher rate than you, they can't find enough business to survive, they go bust
Now who's the twat....
The argument seems a little Noddy to me
Ducado said:Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:Yes! it isn't. So what is the point? We're all sentient beings bouncing around.. the least we can do is try to make it as fair as poss.
Basically if you providing a service (whatever that may be) and you're being paid more than you're worth from the person receiving, - then you're a twat.
You are funny..... so basically you go out and charge less for your services than the competition.... that is your decision.
Flip this around for a second, you undercut a company who has to charge a higher rate than you, they can't find enough business to survive, they go bust
Now who's the twat....
The argument seems a little Noddy to me
Can you lot draw a line under this please and get back on topic
Bluemanc100 said:TangerineSteve17 said:whp.blue said:No one ever said life is fair or easy?
Yes! it isn't. So what is the point? We're all sentient beings bouncing around.. the least we can do is try to make it as fair as poss.
Basically if you providing a service (whatever that may be) and you're being paid more than you're worth from the person receiving, - then you're a twat.
You are funny..... so basically you go out and charge less for your services than the competition.... that is your decision.
Flip this around for a second, you undercut a company who has to charge a higher rate than you, they can't find enough business to survive, they go bust and all the staff are out of a job.
Now who's the twat....
The argument seems a little Noddy to me