The General Election Thread

[BigJoe#1]

Cameron before elected said he wouldn't reorganise the NHS or raise VAT.....

Ed had been unequivocal and you know it. He has no wriggle room.

Yes he does....

Nicola Sturgeon’s cast iron guarantee that SNP will never put Tories into office....

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...n-guarantee-snp-will-never-put-tories-office/

Notice the word Never

It's the SNP who has no wriggle room.

The SNP won't need any wriggle room. They will be quite happy driving their own agenda regardless of who is in power, it's just that they are much more aligned to Labour and could work better with them as opposed to the Tories who they will never get into bed with.

 

[whp.blue]

In that case it'll probably be close to lunchtime before he makes an appearance on here!

Like most people on here I would've been in work for around 5 hours when he gets up, someone needs to pay for his ale.

As a moderator, Im really starting to get irritated by these types of comments.

Mocking people for being disabled or unemployed is a c**ts trick and crosses the line into personal attacks. Ive seen you do this 4 times now, you can expect a ban the next time

In all fairness Rascal has taken the stance before where he is advocating people on benefits are not paid enough and then comes on a public forum and admits to having spare income on which to spend on luxuries.
You are being way too protective of someone who regularly calls peoples c*nts and much worse when they dare to disagree with his ultra left wing views.
I have seen mods intervene in his arguments and it is seldom him who is told to wind his neck in.

As he is chummy with the mods he is clearly given way more leeway than other posters and it does wrankle some of us.

How do you know that the people who are slagging him off are not disabled themselves I myself have a disabled wife and I never get to precious about these things.

Mods in general need to take a step back and re evaluate Rascals recent posts he can give it out but the mods do not seem to want to let him get it back.

He is a grown man on adult forum he should learn to take abuse as well as he can give it or stfu and I am not really sure it should be the Mods fighting his battles for him mate or not imho of course

 

[law74]

Cameron before elected said he wouldn't reorganise the NHS or raise VAT.....

Ed had been unequivocal and you know it. He has no wriggle room.

Yes he does....

Nicola Sturgeon’s cast iron guarantee that SNP will never put Tories into office....

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...n-guarantee-snp-will-never-put-tories-office/

Notice the word Never

It's the SNP who has no wriggle room.

directly or indirectly put the tories into power though?
if the SNP get the mandate from the Scottish people it is expected, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by not supporting a Labour minority government against any vote of no confidence
add their votes to greens plaid and the SDLP and it would be hard to see the tories getting enough DUP & UKIP support regardless of how the libdems swing.
the key issue for the SNP seems to be Trident however they can easily oppose Labour on this to keep "honest" to their electorate knowing that it would be a massive about turn for the Tories to join them against a Labour minority government.
Will be an interesting few months

 

[Lucky13]

RIP #edstone and Lucy Powells career.

“I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the fact that he’s carved them into stone means, you know, means that he will absolutely, you know, not going to break them or anything like that.”

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Ed had been unequivocal and you know it. He has no wriggle room.

Yes he does....

Nicola Sturgeon’s cast iron guarantee that SNP will never put Tories into office....

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...n-guarantee-snp-will-never-put-tories-office/

Notice the word Never

It's the SNP who has no wriggle room.

directly or indirectly put the tories into power though?
if the SNP get the mandate from the Scottish people it is expected, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by not supporting a Labour minority government against any vote of no confidence
add their votes to greens plaid and the SDLP and it would be hard to see the tories getting enough DUP & UKIP support regardless of how the libdems swing.
the key issue for the SNP seems to be Trident however they can easily oppose Labour on this to keep "honest" to their electorate knowing that it would be a massive about turn for the Tories to join them against a Labour minority government.
Will be an interesting few months

I think it is a more difficult path for the SNP than has ben stated. if they support labour too much and compromise then they will alienate their converted supporters who may well just drift back to labour next time. they HAVE to be seen to leverage influence and that is where the friction will be with labour.

as you say, interesting times ahead

 

[The perfect fumble]

Ed had been unequivocal and you know it. He has no wriggle room.

Yes he does....

Nicola Sturgeon’s cast iron guarantee that SNP will never put Tories into office....

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...n-guarantee-snp-will-never-put-tories-office/

Notice the word Never

It's the SNP who has no wriggle room.

The SNP won't need any wriggle room. They will be quite happy driving their own agenda regardless of who is in power, it's just that they are much more aligned to Labour and could work better with them as opposed to the Tories who they will never get into bed with.

I don't think so.

To have a symbiotic relationship, you have to have something to be symbiotic with. If the SNP destabilises a Labour government and lets the Tories in they kill their host and irreparably damage themselves.

 

[Summerbuzz]

The election campaign is over, done, finito.

The parties are positioning themselves for the mess of negotiations that's to come.

Cameron's statement that a second placed party in a coalition (or with assent of others) would have no mandate is a pretty strong move. In that situation Labour really ought to sit and push for a re-election.

Clegg is clearly all in for another coalition. Would be problematic within his party, whoever it was with.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Today in the Daily Telegraph....

"Labour would also be in a more robust position vis-à-vis its parliamentary supporters, especially the SNP, than is often supposed. The SNP would not dare do anything that would risk ousting a minority Labour government and reinstalling the hated Conservatives in power. In any negotiations between Labour and the SNP, that simple fact alone would, paradoxically, give the Labour Party the upper hand. The SNP leadership talks loudly but in reality carries a broken stick."

Anthony King is professor of government at Essex University and author of 'Who Governs Britain?’

 

[argyle]

Hmmm. They seem to include Labour and the SNP but Ed was very firm there would be no coalition with them.

Cameron before elected said he wouldn't reorganise the NHS or raise VAT.....

Ed had been unequivocal and you know it. He has no wriggle room.

He's a politician, they always make wiggle room when it's convenient.

 

[Damocles]

Like most people on here I would've been in work for around 5 hours when he gets up, someone needs to pay for his ale.

As a moderator, Im really starting to get irritated by these types of comments.

Mocking people for being disabled or unemployed is a c**ts trick and crosses the line into personal attacks. Ive seen you do this 4 times now, you can expect a ban the next time

In all fairness Rascal has taken the stance before where he is advocating people on benefits are not paid enough and then comes on a public forum and admits to having spare income on which to spend on luxuries.
You are being way too protective of someone who regularly calls peoples c*nts and much worse when they dare to disagree with his ultra left wing views.
I have seen mods intervene in his arguments and it is seldom him who is told to wind his neck in.

As he is chummy with the mods he is clearly given way more leeway than other posters and it does wrankle some of us.

How do you know that the people who are slagging him off are not disabled themselves I myself have a disabled wife and I never get to precious about these things.

Mods in general need to take a step back and re evaluate Rascals recent posts he can give it out but the mods do not seem to want to let him get it back.

He is a grown man on adult forum he should learn to take abuse as well as he can give it or stfu and I am not really sure it should be the Mods fighting his battles for him mate or not imho of course

I've never met Rascal in my entire life. He has sent me a single PM in our entire time here, telling me to keep my chin up when I posted about Sheikh Mansour's brother human rights record (where he was videoed torturing someone) and questioned whether it was good City were getting into bed with this family who we know little about.

It's not about giving it and taking it. If he calls somebody a **** then that's what he should expect back. If he mocks your disabled wife then he should be banned.

There's a difference between forum arguments and personal attacks; this isn't a negotiation.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Today in the Daily Telegraph....

"Labour would also be in a more robust position vis-à-vis its parliamentary supporters, especially the SNP, than is often supposed. The SNP would not dare do anything that would risk ousting a minority Labour government and reinstalling the hated Conservatives in power. In any negotiations between Labour and the SNP, that simple fact alone would, paradoxically, give the Labour Party the upper hand. The SNP leadership talks loudly but in reality carries a broken stick."

Anthony King is professor of government at Essex University and author of 'Who Governs Britain?’

Essex uni eh?
An intellectual hothouse then

 

[blueonblue]

Three days to go and a round up for those who may not have come to a final decision.

A labour government has ALWAYS left the country in a financial mess.

The gap between rich and poor has grown under every labour government.

The labour party shipped in three point seven million immigrants for no other reason than to ensure future votes for themselves, next time you can not get a Drs appointment, hospital bed, or school place for your kids remember that.

While the Tories are not as bad, they are still part of the problem, while the lib dems are just opportunists who will jump in bed with either side for a sniff of power.


Use your vote to rid the country of the f*cking lot of them, make sure whoever you give your vote to is not one of the three main parties who have robbed us blind for many years.

 

[kas_tippler]

As a moderator, Im really starting to get irritated by these types of comments.

Mocking people for being disabled or unemployed is a c**ts trick and crosses the line into personal attacks. Ive seen you do this 4 times now, you can expect a ban the next time

In all fairness Rascal has taken the stance before where he is advocating people on benefits are not paid enough and then comes on a public forum and admits to having spare income on which to spend on luxuries.
You are being way too protective of someone who regularly calls peoples c*nts and much worse when they dare to disagree with his ultra left wing views.
I have seen mods intervene in his arguments and it is seldom him who is told to wind his neck in.

As he is chummy with the mods he is clearly given way more leeway than other posters and it does wrankle some of us.

How do you know that the people who are slagging him off are not disabled themselves I myself have a disabled wife and I never get to precious about these things.

Mods in general need to take a step back and re evaluate Rascals recent posts he can give it out but the mods do not seem to want to let him get it back.

He is a grown man on adult forum he should learn to take abuse as well as he can give it or stfu and I am not really sure it should be the Mods fighting his battles for him mate or not imho of course

I've never met Rascal in my entire life. He has sent me a single PM in our entire time here, telling me to keep my chin up when I posted about Sheikh Mansour's brother human rights record (where he was videoed torturing someone) and questioned whether it was good City were getting into bed with this family who we know little about.

It's not about giving it and taking it. If he calls somebody a c**t then that's what he should expect back. If he mocks your disabled wife then he should be banned.

There's a difference between forum arguments and personal attacks; this isn't a negotiation.

Calls me a **** gets away with it, I mention I'll be in work 5 hours before he surfaces and I get threatened with a ban! To my knowledge no one has ever called disabled on here! I could go on about autism/ aapergers but I won't!

 

[Damocles]

Calls me a **** gets away with it, I mention I'll be in work 5 hours before he surfaces and I get threatened with a ban!

That is not what has just happened. That is what has just happened if you remove all context, history and twist it slightly. For the record, people might have seen me write recently in another thread that I never understood how full of shit people were about why they got warnings and bans until I became a moderator and this is a good example of it.

You were warned about making offensive remarks of a personal nature. This is after been seen several times making offensive remarks of a personal nature. You can either stop making offensive remarks of a personal nature by choice with which nothing at all will happen, or you can do it again and you'll be thrown out.

This really isn't rocket science is it? You're exhibiting the type of behaviour that the Code of Conduct is designed to stop. You can either stop it or not stop it.

I could go on about autism/ aapergers but I won't!

Good call.

 

[kas_tippler]

Calls me a c**t gets away with it, I mention I'll be in work 5 hours before he surfaces and I get threatened with a ban!

That is not what has just happened. That is what has just happened if you remove all context, history and twist it slightly. For the record, people might have seen me write recently in another thread that I never understood how full of shit people were about why they got warnings and bans until I became a moderator and this is a good example of it.

You were warned about making offensive remarks of a personal nature. This is after been seen several times making offensive remarks of a personal nature. You can either stop making offensive remarks of a personal nature by choice with which nothing at all will happen, or you can do it again and you'll be thrown out.

This really isn't rocket science is it? You're exhibiting the type of behaviour that the Code of Conduct is designed to stop. You can either stop it or not stop it.

I could go on about autism/ aapergers but I won't!

Good call.

No one has ever warned me. So basically you're saying calling someone the c word is acceptable? Where I come from its not.
Re the' good call' comment, I suggest you stop being a smart arse.
Ban me if you should wish, it'd be like taking your ball home.

 

[whp.blue]

As a moderator, Im really starting to get irritated by these types of comments.

Mocking people for being disabled or unemployed is a c**ts trick and crosses the line into personal attacks. Ive seen you do this 4 times now, you can expect a ban the next time

In all fairness Rascal has taken the stance before where he is advocating people on benefits are not paid enough and then comes on a public forum and admits to having spare income on which to spend on luxuries.
You are being way too protective of someone who regularly calls peoples c*nts and much worse when they dare to disagree with his ultra left wing views.
I have seen mods intervene in his arguments and it is seldom him who is told to wind his neck in.

As he is chummy with the mods he is clearly given way more leeway than other posters and it does wrankle some of us.

How do you know that the people who are slagging him off are not disabled themselves I myself have a disabled wife and I never get to precious about these things.

Mods in general need to take a step back and re evaluate Rascals recent posts he can give it out but the mods do not seem to want to let him get it back.

He is a grown man on adult forum he should learn to take abuse as well as he can give it or stfu and I am not really sure it should be the Mods fighting his battles for him mate or not imho of course

I've never met Rascal in my entire life. He has sent me a single PM in our entire time here, telling me to keep my chin up when I posted about Sheikh Mansour's brother human rights record (where he was videoed torturing someone) and questioned whether it was good City were getting into bed with this family who we know little about.

It's not about giving it and taking it. If he calls somebody a c**t then that's what he should expect back. If he mocks your disabled wife then he should be banned.

There's a difference between forum arguments and personal attacks; this isn't a negotiation.

So it is ok to call someone a fascist because they have a bit of money and right wing views but it is not ok to call someone who spends benefits (for what ever reason they get those benefits) on beer or other luxuries (that some people who work for minimum wage can't afford) a scrounger ?
That seems a very lob sided view


It is supposed to be an adult forum and not every poster shares your moral views or standards and that can be applied equally to me as it could be to Rascal and several others on this forum.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Today in the Daily Telegraph....

"Labour would also be in a more robust position vis-à-vis its parliamentary supporters, especially the SNP, than is often supposed. The SNP would not dare do anything that would risk ousting a minority Labour government and reinstalling the hated Conservatives in power. In any negotiations between Labour and the SNP, that simple fact alone would, paradoxically, give the Labour Party the upper hand. The SNP leadership talks loudly but in reality carries a broken stick."

Anthony King is professor of government at Essex University and author of 'Who Governs Britain?’

Essex uni eh?
An intellectual hothouse then

He's not wrong though.

 

[SWP's back]

SNP aren't arsed about letting the Tories back in. They care about breaking up the union and whilst all the lefties are thinking up reasons why the second most popular party in the UK (and a long distant second in England) will work in office with the SNP, the SNP will be working out ways to forever banish labour from office north of the border.

A Labour minority government held in place by the SNP really would be the Pyrrhic victory of modern times.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Yes he does....

Nicola Sturgeon’s cast iron guarantee that SNP will never put Tories into office....

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...n-guarantee-snp-will-never-put-tories-office/

Notice the word Never

It's the SNP who has no wriggle room.

The SNP won't need any wriggle room. They will be quite happy driving their own agenda regardless of who is in power, it's just that they are much more aligned to Labour and could work better with them as opposed to the Tories who they will never get into bed with.

I don't think so.

To have a symbiotic relationship, you have to have something to be symbiotic with. If the SNP destabilises a Labour government and lets the Tories in they kill their host and irreparably damage themselves.

I don't think the SNP have to do anything to appease Labour, they will definitely not change their position on Trident as for the rest of their Westminster (Note Westminster) agenda, it's pretty much aligned to Labour and they will probably support the majority of Labours proposals/Legislation, or at least as much as any other element within the Labour Party.... as for the conservatives... Nuff said.

As far as Labour are concerned Trident will succeed in any case.

It's more a question of how Milliband can persuade Parliament that he should govern with a minority party without saying he has agreement with the SNP. I don't think, as you say, the SNP will have any issue supporting him.

Personally I would prefer to see a coalition, it's only fair that the UK is properly represented... after all we (errr they, the politicians) did beg the scots on blended knee to stay in the UK... now they see to be happy to tell them to F**k off?

 

[whp.blue]

SNP aren't arsed about letting the Tories back in. They care about breaking up the union and whilst all the lefties are thinking up reasons why the second most popular party in the UK (and a long distant second in England) will work in office with the SNP, the SNP will be working out ways to forever banish labour from office north of the border.

A Labour minority government held in place by the SNP really would be the Pyrrhic victory of modern times.

The SNP would probably relish a Conservative government in Westminster as it would strengthen them even further north of the Border and after this election the Conservatives may not be so keen going into another election with this scenario of the SNP being Kingmaker.
I really do think the Conservatives may look at the Issue of the Scottish and the most likely outcome will be an English votes on English matters in Westminster. I am fully aware they would need a good majority to get this past Labour and the SNP.