The General Election Thread

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whp.blue said:
So it is ok to call someone a fascist because they have a bit of money and right wing views but it is not ok to call someone who spends benefits (for what ever reason they get those benefits) on beer or other luxuries (that some people who work for minimum wage can't afford) a scrounger ?
That seems a very lob sided view

It is supposed to be an adult forum and not every poster shares your moral views or standards and that can be applied equally to me as it could be to Rascal and several others on this forum.

My moral views and standards on this are shaped by the Code of Conduct and direction Ric gives us. There's a big difference between saying you're a fascist and personal digs at somebody for receiving benefits.

Again, I don't mind arguing this with you if you want but the "line in the sand" on insulting stuff is in the specific. You can call anybody a **** because it's a generic insult; I mean, if somebody is actually bothered by it and reports it then you might get sanctioned and mods will generally act on it if they are reading a thread and see it but sometimes people can get away with it. If you call somebody an Hun **** who is known to be Irish then you'll always get sanctioned.

As said earlier, this isn't rocket science. Lose your temper all you like but don't cross that line into the personal and things are generally fine. When you move it into the specific and personally, we have absolutely no choice but to act on it. The blatant truth is that if kas was a known left wing poster then I would have temp banned him already. The only reason he got a warning in the thread is because I couldn't be arsed with the inevitable tide of shit that would come my way from the right wing element on here who would call it a political banning despite being nothing to do with politics.

He was saved by his political position. Your accusations of cronyism are the exact opposite from the reality of moderation on the forum.
 
cibaman said:
mcfc1632 said:
SWP's back said:
I agree. I fully expect a Labour minority government.

And that it will last about 6-12 months.


I do not understand that - although might be glad if it was true.

Once a minority Labour government is in and the Queens Speech is passed with SNP support I believe that the fixed term regulation means that it will last for 5 years unless there is a vote of no-confidence which cannot happen as there will not be a majority for it.

I just see 5 years of paralysis with no way out

If both the Tories and Labour have a go at forming a government and have their Queen's speech's voted down there will be a second election. One party will table a motion for an early election the opposition party would be bound to support it,

If Labour form a minority government and the SNP continually frustrate them, they will table a motion for an early election which the Tories will have to support.

Apparently in other countries which have fixed term parliaments its not unknown for governments to table a motion of no confidence in itself and then abstain to make sure the vote is past. Seems weird but apparently is accepted as just being a procedural thing.


Thanks - sorry - I knew that and I should have been clearer.

The labour Queens speech will be supported by the SNP so will get through so I do not think that situation will arise
 
Latest.

Labour defend sex segregation at its recent election meeting in Birmingham

There was no forced segregation

Everyone was together in one room and all were treated equally and respectfully.

So Labour doesn't mind segregation at its meetings so long as everyone is treated equally and respectfully.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-defends-rally-men-women-5640059" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/la ... en-5640059</a>
 
whp.blue said:
SWP's back said:
SNP aren't arsed about letting the Tories back in. They care about breaking up the union and whilst all the lefties are thinking up reasons why the second most popular party in the UK (and a long distant second in England) will work in office with the SNP, the SNP will be working out ways to forever banish labour from office north of the border.

A Labour minority government held in place by the SNP really would be the Pyrrhic victory of modern times.

The SNP would probably relish a Conservative government in Westminster as it would strengthen them even further north of the Border and after this election the Conservatives may not be so keen going into another election with this scenario of the SNP being Kingmaker.
I really do think the Conservatives may look at the Issue of the Scottish and the most likely outcome will be an English votes on English matters in Westminster. I am fully aware they would need a good majority to get this past Labour and the SNP.

Do you feel that the Conservative and Unionist Party could -would support further dilution of that Union though?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
mcfc1632 said:
The labour Queens speech will be supported by the SNP so will get through so I do not think that situation will arise
The only thing that would prevent it would be the Trident issue. It depends how hard they (SNP) dig their heels in over it.

Trident won't be in the Queens speech. If it comes to a vote the Tories will walk through the lobby with Labour.
 
Damocles said:
whp.blue said:
So it is ok to call someone a fascist because they have a bit of money and right wing views but it is not ok to call someone who spends benefits (for what ever reason they get those benefits) on beer or other luxuries (that some people who work for minimum wage can't afford) a scrounger ?
That seems a very lob sided view

It is supposed to be an adult forum and not every poster shares your moral views or standards and that can be applied equally to me as it could be to Rascal and several others on this forum.

My moral views and standards on this are shaped by the Code of Conduct and direction Ric gives us. There's a big difference between saying you're a fascist and personal digs at somebody for receiving benefits.

Again, I don't mind arguing this with you if you want but the "line in the sand" on insulting stuff is in the specific. You can call anybody a c**t because it's a generic insult; I mean, if somebody is actually bothered by it and reports it then you might get sanctioned and mods will generally act on it if they are reading a thread and see it but sometimes people can get away with it. If you call somebody an Hun c**t who is known to be Irish then you'll always get sanctioned.

As said earlier, this isn't rocket science. Lose your temper all you like but don't cross that line into the personal and things are generally fine. When you move it into the specific and personally, we have absolutely no choice but to act on it. The blatant truth is that if kas was a known left wing poster then I would have temp banned him already. The only reason he got a warning in the thread is because I couldn't be arsed with the inevitable tide of shit that would come my way from the right wing element on here who would call it a political banning despite being nothing to do with politics.

He was saved by his political position. Your accusations of cronyism are the exact opposite from the reality of moderation on the forum.

Ok just to be clear

If I say ALL people on benefits are Scroungers then as a generic insult that would be ok?
and it is ok for posters to call me a Fascist because of my personal circumstances?

I will not come back after this but as Mods start handing out bans or threaten bans It would be nice for some clarity
 
urmston said:
Latest.

Labour defend sex segregation at its recent election meeting in Birmingham

There was no forced segregation

Everyone was together in one room and all were treated equally and respectfully.

So Labour doesn't mind segregation at its meetings so long as everyone is treated equally and respectfully.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-defends-rally-men-women-5640059" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/la ... en-5640059</a>

This is cheap shot low politics from Farage

So no meeting Orthodox Jews? and men and women are seperated at Mosques, so no visits to them either?
 
The perfect fumble said:
BigJoe#1 said:
mcfc1632 said:
The labour Queens speech will be supported by the SNP so will get through so I do not think that situation will arise
The only thing that would prevent it would be the Trident issue. It depends how hard they (SNP) dig their heels in over it.

Trident won't be in the Queens speech. If it comes to a vote the Tories will walk through the lobby with Labour.
I agree the Conservatives would vote with the majority of Labour and Trident will get through in Parliament but I'd be interested to know why it wouldn't be I. The Queens speech, which after all is a statement of the governments intentions and what it will deliver... Isn't it?
 
urmston said:
Latest.

Labour defend sex segregation at its recent election meeting in Birmingham

There was no forced segregation

Everyone was together in one room and all were treated equally and respectfully.

So Labour doesn't mind segregation at its meetings so long as everyone is treated equally and respectfully.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-defends-rally-men-women-5640059" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/la ... en-5640059</a>
Would you have had Labour force them to sit boy girl boy girl, like school kids, or are they allowed to sit how they like? I haven't heard anyone from the meeting complaining, only people who hate Labour trying to shit stir. Elections are tedious
 
BigJoe#1 said:
The perfect fumble said:
BigJoe#1 said:
The only thing that would prevent it would be the Trident issue. It depends how hard they (SNP) dig their heels in over it.

Trident won't be in the Queens speech. If it comes to a vote the Tories will walk through the lobby with Labour.
I agree the Conservatives would vote with the majority of Labour and Trident will get through in Parliament but I'd be interested to know why it wouldn't be I. The Queens speech, which after all is a statement of the governments intentions and what it will deliver... Isn't it?

It is, but it is not necessary to have all legislation in the Queen's speech. The whips can work together to get a back bench sponsored bill through.
 
The perfect fumble said:
BigJoe#1 said:
The perfect fumble said:
Trident won't be in the Queens speech. If it comes to a vote the Tories will walk through the lobby with Labour.
I agree the Conservatives would vote with the majority of Labour and Trident will get through in Parliament but I'd be interested to know why it wouldn't be I. The Queens speech, which after all is a statement of the governments intentions and what it will deliver... Isn't it?

It is, but it is not necessary to have all legislation in the Queen's speech. The whips can work together to get a back bench sponsored bill through.

Never in a million years. It would make Labour's front bench a laughing stock.
 
whp.blue said:
Damocles said:
whp.blue said:
So it is ok to call someone a fascist because they have a bit of money and right wing views but it is not ok to call someone who spends benefits (for what ever reason they get those benefits) on beer or other luxuries (that some people who work for minimum wage can't afford) a scrounger ?
That seems a very lob sided view

It is supposed to be an adult forum and not every poster shares your moral views or standards and that can be applied equally to me as it could be to Rascal and several others on this forum.

My moral views and standards on this are shaped by the Code of Conduct and direction Ric gives us. There's a big difference between saying you're a fascist and personal digs at somebody for receiving benefits.

Again, I don't mind arguing this with you if you want but the "line in the sand" on insulting stuff is in the specific. You can call anybody a c**t because it's a generic insult; I mean, if somebody is actually bothered by it and reports it then you might get sanctioned and mods will generally act on it if they are reading a thread and see it but sometimes people can get away with it. If you call somebody an Hun c**t who is known to be Irish then you'll always get sanctioned.

As said earlier, this isn't rocket science. Lose your temper all you like but don't cross that line into the personal and things are generally fine. When you move it into the specific and personally, we have absolutely no choice but to act on it. The blatant truth is that if kas was a known left wing poster then I would have temp banned him already. The only reason he got a warning in the thread is because I couldn't be arsed with the inevitable tide of shit that would come my way from the right wing element on here who would call it a political banning despite being nothing to do with politics.

He was saved by his political position. Your accusations of cronyism are the exact opposite from the reality of moderation on the forum.

Ok just to be clear

If I say ALL people on benefits are Scroungers then as a generic insult that would be ok?
and it is ok for posters to call me a Fascist because of my personal circumstances?

I will not come back after this but as Mods start handing out bans or threaten bans It would be nice for some clarity

I would never ban a leftie. they have enough on their plate just being a leftie.
 
de niro said:
whp.blue said:
Damocles said:
My moral views and standards on this are shaped by the Code of Conduct and direction Ric gives us. There's a big difference between saying you're a fascist and personal digs at somebody for receiving benefits.

Again, I don't mind arguing this with you if you want but the "line in the sand" on insulting stuff is in the specific. You can call anybody a c**t because it's a generic insult; I mean, if somebody is actually bothered by it and reports it then you might get sanctioned and mods will generally act on it if they are reading a thread and see it but sometimes people can get away with it. If you call somebody an Hun c**t who is known to be Irish then you'll always get sanctioned.

As said earlier, this isn't rocket science. Lose your temper all you like but don't cross that line into the personal and things are generally fine. When you move it into the specific and personally, we have absolutely no choice but to act on it. The blatant truth is that if kas was a known left wing poster then I would have temp banned him already. The only reason he got a warning in the thread is because I couldn't be arsed with the inevitable tide of shit that would come my way from the right wing element on here who would call it a political banning despite being nothing to do with politics.

He was saved by his political position. Your accusations of cronyism are the exact opposite from the reality of moderation on the forum.

Ok just to be clear

If I say ALL people on benefits are Scroungers then as a generic insult that would be ok?
and it is ok for posters to call me a Fascist because of my personal circumstances?

I will not come back after this but as Mods start handing out bans or threaten bans It would be nice for some clarity

I would never ban a leftie. they have enough on their plate just being a leftie.

Fascist.
 
chabal said:
de niro said:
whp.blue said:
Ok just to be clear

If I say ALL people on benefits are Scroungers then as a generic insult that would be ok?
and it is ok for posters to call me a Fascist because of my personal circumstances?

I will not come back after this but as Mods start handing out bans or threaten bans It would be nice for some clarity

I would never ban a leftie. they have enough on their plate just being a leftie.

Fascist.

Great bit of information to have though, we can now declare open season on the oap visually impaired carpet selling mod :-)
 
Ok Rascal - you are a **** - that is all we are allowed to say these days.

****.
 
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