The General Election Thread

[Ronnie the Rep]

Just watching the politicians at the cenotaph. Ed and Nick look like they are putting wreaths on their own graves. Dave looks statesmanlike and Boris is desperately trying not to laugh

 

[worsleyweb]

Stop calling Labour supporters 'left wingers' they aren't left wingers, they are fucking retards.

Anybody with a truly left-wing outlook who votes for any of the main political parties is a gullible fool. Labour especially though, at least the Tories actually work for the people who vote for them, the fabulously rich and the right leaning middle classes.

If you ever call anyone a idiot again you will be off here for good

'Idiot' then. Is idiot suddenly offensive now ? I've not personally attacked anybody.

He is fine with idiot.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

Well we were nearly evicted for not paying the bedroom tax,I'd say that did some damage! Our second bedroom is used to store medical equipment and a computer. On the subject of benefit money I'd say ours has gone up slightly,a few quid maybe. Not enough to fund a lavish lifestyle which everybody seems to think most benefit claimants live.

The welfare cuts won't fall where people expect because the conventional unemployment based ones have been cut as much as they can be cut. The turkeys have just voted for Xmas. It's the Child Benefit and Tax Credits of many a Tory voter they will slash away at.

I think they should take child benefit off anyone earning over 100k - seems logical and they might well do it.

Yeah its that good an idea they've already done it and set the threshold at 50k

 

[TCIB]

[video]https://vine.co/v/emWPHTeTAd5[/video]

Oh snap hahahahaha, was just looking at the different gifs of that but this one is the best by far as it stands (excuse the pun).

 

[Ducado]

If you ever call anyone a idiot again you will be off here for good

'Idiot' then. Is idiot suddenly offensive now ? I've not personally attacked anybody.

He is fine with idiot.

Pipe down

 

[worsleyweb]

The welfare cuts won't fall where people expect because the conventional unemployment based ones have been cut as much as they can be cut. The turkeys have just voted for Xmas. It's the Child Benefit and Tax Credits of many a Tory voter they will slash away at.

I think they should take child benefit off anyone earning over 100k - seems logical and they might well do it.

Yeah its that good an idea they've already done it and set the threshold at 50k

Ok lets make it 30k

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

The welfare cuts won't fall where people expect because the conventional unemployment based ones have been cut as much as they can be cut. The turkeys have just voted for Xmas. It's the Child Benefit and Tax Credits of many a Tory voter they will slash away at.

I think they should take child benefit off anyone earning over 100k - seems logical and they might well do it.

Yeah its that good an idea they've already done it and set the threshold at 50k

Is that per household ? £50k is a little low in my opinion, especially if you have a few kids and a big mortgage. maybe £75k is better.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

Don't want to be irreverent on the anniversary of V E Day, and I feel dirty just for thinking it, but Saint Nicola looks hot in black and those heels

 

[Blueband Brother]

Political Gangsta.

People can say all they want about Cameron and they should say what they want actually cos personally I think he is a right you know what but you cannot ignore the fact that this guy knows how to play the game of British politics- He knows the streets so to speak and is a ruthless political gangsta who has annihilated all his opposition while keeping a smiling face.

He has destroyed the Lib dem party. From the moment he hustled for a coalition government in the previous election , which spelled the end of the relevance of the lib dems. The lib dems are finished as I don't see how they can convince anyone in England or Wales to vote for them in the future and this is due in many parts to the deadly alliance they forged with David Cameron, who drew them close to him, laughed and joked with them and when no one was looking, he went for the kill and dumped their bodies in the garbage bin.

He has devastated the Labour party. People may not appreciate the significance of what has happened in Scotland in terms of its effects on the Labour party but it is huge, historic for that matter. Although not willing to allocate all the credit to Cameron, but he may very well have calculated that calling a referendum will lead to the up-rise of Scottish Nationalism, which will tarry and continue after the referendum as there is more awareness, more energy and a sense of Scottish National Identity, which will mean that more people will vote for SNP regardless of campaign by other parties.This will only stand to benefit David Cameron as the strong labour bastion in Scotland will switch to SNP thus eliminating any chance of the Labour party getting enough seats to pretend themselves eligible to form at least a coalition government. No one thought it will be this bad but it has been a Blitz, a wipe out of Labour in Scotland.
David Cameron also understood and tapped into the perceptions and emotions of the English people. "The Scottish are coming" was a major and successful election campaign inneundo as he managed to convince the English that the Conservative party is the party for England, "This is England" so to speak and if they vote for Labour they may more or less get a coalition government between the Labour Party and the Scots, which was a master stroke card played by Cameron, and it worked.
So Cameron has managed to make the conservative party the party of England, which is consistent to the rise in Nationalism all over the country and Europe. Conservatives for England, (UKIP for angry nationalist that want to blame everybody else for their problems), SNP for Scotland, DUP for Northern Ireland and as for Wales, they go where England go. So there is no room for Labour in British politics and this should be horrifying and they need to really work very very hard to keep the party afloat because what happened yesterday was historical and the political landscape of Britain has changed forever.

David Cameron also managed to get in and frustrate the UKIP and beat them in their own game of tapping into the emotions of the unstable and has taken a seat from them.

All in all this has been an election master class from David Cameron. Whether it is because he has the backing of the elite, or he is just a political strategist with a brilliant political mind or it is because everything just fell into place for him and his party, David Cameron is the only one left standing in England as he forms another government.

I read all this crap in 92, 97 and so on, it's just political hype they will be voted out when people tire of them

But it will be increasingly difficult for Labour or any other party to regain power in the future because of what is happening in Scotland. The conservatives will really need to mess up big time for that to happen. There were no parties like SNP in 92, 97 transforming the landscape of Britain and there have not been a convincing show of intent by the Scottish people. What happened yesterday is historic especially if another referendum is called for Scottish independence, which is where all this is heading.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

'Idiot' then. Is idiot suddenly offensive now ? I've not personally attacked anybody.

He is fine with idiot.

Pipe down

Why should he pipe down, you aren't explaining why you have threatened a permanent ban ? Do you honestly believe I'm using 'idiot' because I want to make fun of people with disabilities ? No, the term no longer has that meaning in the context I used it. Imo, it is commonly used as a synonym for unintelligent and I'm pretty pissed off with the way you are attempting to make the post into something it isn't. I have 2 close family members with serious disabilities and wasn't using the word in that context so don't treat it as such.

 

[TCIB]

Don't want to be irreverent on the anniversary of V E Day, and I feel dirty just for thinking it, but Saint Nicola looks hot in black and those heels

I had to google Esther McVey as someo were saying good riddance. I have to respectfully disagree with the right honourable cunts who said that :-D

She is not just hot for a politician she is just outright hot as fuck. Calling jimharri, politics thread calling jimharri.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

I think they should take child benefit off anyone earning over 100k - seems logical and they might well do it.

Yeah its that good an idea they've already done it and set the threshold at 50k

Is that per household ? £50k is a little low in my opinion, especially if you have a few kids and a big mortgage. maybe £75k is better.

You aren't entitled to child benefit if one of the parents in the household earns over 50k. They could both work and earn £49k each and still get it

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I've studied British politics and I know for a fact that the difficulties of trying to govern with such a small majority is a nightmare. It's something that hasn't been seen since the 70's so peopledon't realise and the media is too thick to. They will cotton on shortly. Cameron will be the captive of by-election results in no time and mark my words, he will repeatedly come over as a twat. Even if he weren't a twat, this would be true. Even if he didn't have a shiny face, this would be true. Even if he wasn't an arrogant arse-hole who is hated by 60 of his own disruptive, bat shit right-wing MP's, it would be true. And then there's Scotland and the Euro Referendum to negotiate and the inevitable mid-term descent into minority government and deals done in secret with Ulster fucking Unionist loonies.

This will make John Major's poisoned chalice of an election victory look like the best thing that ever happened to the Tory Party I am getting my popcorn out. It's going to be great fun.

That's a hell of a brave face you're putting on it.

But it's bollocks. The majority is actually far higher given Sinn Fein not taking their seats, the DUP as natural allies on most thing, the same with UKIP and a number of independents. The majority in real terms is around 18.

The Tories will be over the moon

There's a school of thought that says a small majority is easier to manage than a large one as rebels are more reluctant to step out of line if they think the consequence is losing power.

There's another which says the opposite and that potential rebels will be more vocal when they think they stand a better chance of getting their own way.

It will depend on the issue and how strongly the rebels feel about it. There can be little doubt that the single most divisive issue among the Tories is the EU.

We've been promised a referendum and one of four things could happen:

1) It goes ahead and there's a majority for staying in. Cameron remains as pm and there's no reaction from anti-EU rebels.

2) It goes ahead and there's a majority for staying in. Cameron remains as pm but 100 plus rebels (which is supposedly the number of firmly anti-EU Tory MPs) either go to UKIP or bring him down. He won't survive without that.

3) It goes ahead and there's a majority for getting out. Cameron resigns after campaigning against it.

4) Cameron reneges on his referendum commitment and all hell breaks loose. He's a goner if that happens.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

I think they should take child benefit off anyone earning over 100k - seems logical and they might well do it.

Yeah its that good an idea they've already done it and set the threshold at 50k

Ok lets make it 30k

I think we'll see a reduction to around the 35k mark within the next couple of years.

We are talking a loss of around £1100 each year for the eldest child and approx £700 per year for each additional child in lost benefits.

 

[Blue Maverick]

After the second child you shouldn't be getting it IMHO, if you choose three or more then look at whether you can afford it.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I've studied British politics and I know for a fact that the difficulties of trying to govern with such a small majority is a nightmare. It's something that hasn't been seen since the 70's so peopledon't realise and the media is too thick to. They will cotton on shortly. Cameron will be the captive of by-election results in no time and mark my words, he will repeatedly come over as a twat. Even if he weren't a twat, this would be true. Even if he didn't have a shiny face, this would be true. Even if he wasn't an arrogant arse-hole who is hated by 60 of his own disruptive, bat shit right-wing MP's, it would be true. And then there's Scotland and the Euro Referendum to negotiate and the inevitable mid-term descent into minority government and deals done in secret with Ulster fucking Unionist loonies.

This will make John Major's poisoned chalice of an election victory look like the best thing that ever happened to the Tory Party I am getting my popcorn out. It's going to be great fun.

That's a hell of a brave face you're putting on it.

But it's bollocks. The majority is actually far higher given Sinn Fein not taking their seats, the DUP as natural allies on most thing, the same with UKIP and a number of independents. The majority in real terms is around 18.

The Tories will be over the moon

There's a school of thought that says a small majority is easier to manage than a large one as rebels are more reluctant to step out of line if they think the consequence is losing power.

There's another which says the opposite and that potential rebels will be more vocal when they think they stand a better chance of getting their own way.

It will depend on the issue and how strongly the rebels feel about it. There can be little doubt that the single most divisive issue among the Tories is the EU.

We've been promised a referendum and one of four things could happen:

1) It goes ahead and there's a majority for staying in. Cameron remains as pm and there's no reaction from anti-EU rebels.

2) It goes ahead and there's a majority for staying in. Cameron remains as pm but 100 plus rebels (which is supposedly the number of firmly anti-EU Tory MPs) either go to UKIP or bring him down. He won't survive without that.

3) It goes ahead and there's a majority for getting out. Cameron resigns after campaigning against it.

4) Cameron reneges on his referendum commitment and all hell breaks loose. He's a goner if that happens.

Once Merkel has finished appeasing Dave, option one will happen

 

[dickie davies]

After the second child you shouldn't be getting it IMHO, if you choose three or more then look at whether you can afford it.

I'm going to sound like a benefit basher now

But if you don't work and choose to have kids as a lifestyle choice (which some do), the more kids you produce, the more you receive and it is a fact

 

[worsleyweb]

After the second child you shouldn't be getting it IMHO, if you choose three or more then look at whether you can afford it.

Seems reasonable too - good idea.

 

[SWP's back]

The only truly successful way to get a full term out of this is to call an election in a couple of years time (if the polls are right). Labour won a small majority in 1964 and went again in 1966, when the polls looked promising. It worked.

Short of this, the best the Tories can hope for is to limp along for a few years before being brought down by the 60 ex-Tories who defect to UKIP the moment the EU Referendum vote is lost.

You said you studied politics but can I just tell you that things have changed in the last 30 years.

We now have fixed term governments. The Tories will be here for a full 5 years.

 

[whp.blue]

I've studied British politics and I know for a fact that the difficulties of trying to govern with such a small majority is a nightmare. It's something that hasn't been seen since the 70's so peopledon't realise and the media is too thick to. They will cotton on shortly. Cameron will be the captive of by-election results in no time and mark my words, he will repeatedly come over as a twat. Even if he weren't a twat, this would be true. Even if he didn't have a shiny face, this would be true. Even if he wasn't an arrogant arse-hole who is hated by 60 of his own disruptive, bat shit right-wing MP's, it would be true. And then there's Scotland and the Euro Referendum to negotiate and the inevitable mid-term descent into minority government and deals done in secret with Ulster fucking Unionist loonies.

This will make John Major's poisoned chalice of an election victory look like the best thing that ever happened to the Tory Party I am getting my popcorn out. It's going to be great fun.

That's a hell of a brave face you're putting on it.

But it's bollocks. The majority is actually far higher given Sinn Fein not taking their seats, the DUP as natural allies on most thing, the same with UKIP and a number of independents. The majority in real terms is around 18.

The Tories will be over the moon

19 now as they won St Ives