The General Election Thread

[Rascal]

Apart from UKIP, Liberty, the Communist Party, the Greens, the Tories and the BNP.

And the Government can't do anything "without our consent". They're elected fucking leaders!!

If all 3 main political parties are pro-EU, who are those of us who are opposed to the EU to vote for? Liberty? The Communist Party? The Greens? The BNP? Behave. The Tories? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they actually signed up to the biggest transfer of power to Brussels since the EC was formed? They are actually a pro-EU party, who have grudgingly offered a referendum, but will campaign in favour. So no, I don't believe the British people support the creation of a European superstate, but we've been landed with one regardless by our self serving politicians who don't actually give a toss what the people of this country want, except when they are forced to pay attention by the prospect of their snouts being removed from the trough by the emergence of a new party that gives these people a voice.

So what you mean is not that you didn't have anyone to vote for, but that you didn't have anyone to vote for that met some criteria you have outside of their EU policy?

And what specifically do MPs gain from being a member of the EU that has you so appalled? Not broad strokes that sound like they were written by Wolfie Smith but specific examples.

It was broad strokes by definition as its not what i particularly believe in. Im undecided by the EU but my point was more we do not get a balanced argument, its all negative.

 

[hilts]

What part of the word "estimates" threw you exactly?

I didn't throw me in any way, come May i will look at the polls, it was you looking into the future based on best estimates, last week a "best estimate" would have been Labour would safely hang on to Middleton and Clacton would have been close

The main parties have caused all this shit

So if you admit that polls held only a few days before an election can be inaccurate, why are you looking at the polls next May to determine your vote?

Common sense dear boy they are more likely to be accurate in 7 months than now as things between now and then may be different, unless i ask 40 odd million people personally and presume they are truthful i don't have much of a choice really

UKIP may continue it's momentum between now and then they may not, the polls won't be the only deciding factor

 

[mackenzie]

There is something about UKIP that appeals to the worst traits in people. You only have to listen to some of their voters on television to recognise it. They can gloss it up as much as they want, but it's there.

 

[hilts]

There is something about UKIP that appeals to the worst traits in people. You only have to listen to some of their voters on television to recognise it. They can gloss it up as much as they want, but it's there.

Nice generalisation that

 

[hgblue]

Apart from UKIP, Liberty, the Communist Party, the Greens, the Tories and the BNP.

And the Government can't do anything "without our consent". They're elected fucking leaders!!

If all 3 main political parties are pro-EU, who are those of us who are opposed to the EU to vote for? Liberty? The Communist Party? The Greens? The BNP? Behave. The Tories? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they actually signed up to the biggest transfer of power to Brussels since the EC was formed? They are actually a pro-EU party, who have grudgingly offered a referendum, but will campaign in favour. So no, I don't believe the British people support the creation of a European superstate, but we've been landed with one regardless by our self serving politicians who don't actually give a toss what the people of this country want, except when they are forced to pay attention by the prospect of their snouts being removed from the trough by the emergence of a new party that gives these people a voice.

So what you mean is not that you didn't have anyone to vote for, but that you didn't have anyone to vote for that met some criteria you have outside of their EU policy?

And what specifically do MPs gain from being a member of the EU that has you so appalled? Not broad strokes that sound like they were written by Wolfie Smith but specific examples.

It's a first past the post electoral system in this country, so apart from the fact that I'm not a Communist, a Green, a supporter of Liberty or a racist, there is zero prospect of a vote for any of the above effecting one iota of change to government policy.

You mean professional politicians being in favour of the gravy train for professional politicians that is the European Parliament surprises you or doesn't come with a certain amount of self interest on their behalf? Pull the other one. People seriously believe that Westminster politicians don't know that the public is largely Eurosceptic and has huge concerns about the effect of large scale immigration? Of course they do. They simply don't give a shit and exist in a Westminster bubble that has only recently been popped by the disenfranchised finally being given a voice by UKIP.

 

[Clevers]

I am not amazed that people vote for UKIP (some people will vote for anything) but I am amazed that people think that they are any different from other politicians.

I also remain to be convinced that leaving the EU won't be disastrous for the UK economy.

 

[TGR]

Bang on.
Or they could just be patriotic. I know its very unfashionable for the English to do this (Whilst it's more than OK for the SNP & others to do it)
and it is simply not on the agenda for the left of centre parties & voters.
However the policies of UKIP as a party are starting to chime with the electorate as whole.
Just watch the Tories & Labour up the anti on immigration starting any time very soon now their arses could be on the line.
That's the problem with the left wingers anything remotely centre or to the right is immediately tagged as 'fascists'
Not so long ago they were labelled as 'idiots' 'nutjobs' 'loonies' now they are winning votes they are being labelled as 'fascists'.
Ignore them at your peril.

Err...no. That's just some of the recognised tenets of fascism. If you have issue with this you should take it up with the dictionary, as that is just what the word means.

Err... Yes.
judt because someone has a differing view than you doesn't mean they are automatically wrong.

 

[mackenzie]

There is something about UKIP that appeals to the worst traits in people. You only have to listen to some of their voters on television to recognise it. They can gloss it up as much as they want, but it's there.

Nice generalisation that[/

It was an honest opinion though and probably the main reason I could never vote for them.

If I vote I'll probably vote Lib Dem.

 

[hilts]

I am not amazed that people vote for UKIP (some people will vote for anything) but I am amazed that people think that they are any different from other politicians.

I also remain to be convinced that leaving the EU won't be disastrous for the UK economy.

I don't personally think they are different it is not about that but it has been done to death and some people still don't see it so i will give up on that

I would prefer us to stay in europe but without the free movement for all immigration policy and less noses in the trough raking in huge salaries, pensions and expenses, trading partners basically with some common sense add ons, it won't happen though

 

[Rascal]

I would prefer us to stay in europe but without the free movement for all immigration policy

Free movement for all is as much an Emmigration policy as it is an Immigration policy. I believe we in this country look at it wrong. The right especially Tebbit with his famous cant fine a job get on your bike quote should love the freedom of movement of labour. A transient workforce helps business grow and the workers move where the work is as Tebbit advocated.

Say for instance my nephew who is the RAF and working on fixing Helicopters leaves the RAF and there are no UK jobs for helicopter fixers but there is one in Cyprus where he would love to live and raise a family but is denied it because we have closed our borders and limited numbers. Is that right and fair?

We appear to assume its our right to move abroad, but nobodies right to move here. 2M Brits estimated live in France, 2M estimated in Spain, how many Brits live in Aus, NZ, Canada, the rest of the commonwealth. We have been a net exporter of emmigrants for ever.



Do well really want to become isolationist and stop people coming here when we have a shortage of Doctors and other professional medical staff. But do we really want to stop people coming here and being entreprenurial like the family that own Pataks and create jobs. Do we really want to put at risk looking closed to other business who see the UK as a good place to open a factory because the owners would be put through immigration checks?


Most people in this country when asked reckon that 30% of this countries inhabitants are immigrants. Its actually 10% and of those 10% many have been here since the West Indian influx of the 1950s and the Ugandan airlift in the 70s. But fear is rife. stoked up by cunts like UKIP

 

[cibaman]

There is something about UKIP that appeals to the worst traits in people. You only have to listen to some of their voters on television to recognise it. They can gloss it up as much as they want, but it's there.

Nice generalisation that[/

It was an honest opinion though and probably the main reason I could never vote for them.

If I vote I'll probably vote Lib Dem.

I vote Lib Dem in the the locals because they hold the seat and the councillor is better than most.

I voted Lib Dem / SDP in the 80's and 92. I prbably should vote Lib Dem as my politics are roughly equidistant between the current Labour and Tory parties.

But the problem is, they're crap.

 

[hilts]

I would prefer us to stay in europe but without the free movement for all immigration policy

Free movement for all is as much an Emmigration policy as it is an Immigration policy. I believe we in this country look at it wrong. The right especially Tebbit with his famous cant fine a job get on your bike quote should love the freedom of movement of labour. A transient workforce helps business grow and the workers move where the work is as Tebbit advocated.

Say for instance my nephew who is the RAF and working on fixing Helicopters leaves the RAF and there are no UK jobs for helicopter fixers but there is one in Cyprus where he would love to live and raise a family but is denied it because we have closed our borders and limited numbers. Is that right and fair?

We appear to assume its our right to move abroad, but nobodies right to move here. 2M Brits estimated live in France, 2M estimated in Spain, how many Brits live in Aus, NZ, Canada, the rest of the commonwealth. We have been a net exporter of emmigrants for ever.



Do well really want to become isolationist and stop people coming here when we have a shortage of Doctors and other professional medical staff. But do we really want to stop people coming here and being entreprenurial like the family that own Pataks and create jobs. Do we really want to put at risk looking closed to other business who see the UK as a good place to open a factory because the owners would be put through immigration checks?


Most people in this country when asked reckon that 30% of this countries inhabitants are immigrants. Its actually 10% and of those 10% many have been here since the West Indian influx of the 1950s and the Ugandan airlift in the 70s. But fear is rife. stoked up by c**ts like UKIP

Three quick things

Your points make complete sense

A different type of Immigration policy could do all that

the 10 percent figure is wrong

 

[mackenzie]

Nice generalisation that[/

It was an honest opinion though and probably the main reason I could never vote for them.

If I vote I'll probably vote Lib Dem.

I vote Lib Dem in the the locals because they hold the seat and the councillor is better than most.

I voted Lib Dem / SDP in the 80's and 92. I prbably should vote Lib Dem as my politics are roughly equidistant between the current Labour and Tory parties.

But the problem is, they're crap.

I'm traditionally a Labour voter but they are fast turning into a shambles.

 

[hilts]

Nice generalisation that[/

It was an honest opinion though and probably the main reason I could never vote for them.

If I vote I'll probably vote Lib Dem.

I vote Lib Dem in the the locals because they hold the seat and the councillor is better than most.

I voted Lib Dem / SDP in the 80's and 92. I prbably should vote Lib Dem as my politics are roughly equidistant between the current Labour and Tory parties.

But the problem is, they're crap.

I'm traditionally a Labour voter but they are fast turning into a shambles.

[bigimg]http://ufohunterorguk.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ed-miliband.jpg?w=627[/bigimg]

he gets my vote

 

[mackenzie]

I vote Lib Dem in the the locals because they hold the seat and the councillor is better than most.

I voted Lib Dem / SDP in the 80's and 92. I prbably should vote Lib Dem as my politics are roughly equidistant between the current Labour and Tory parties.

But the problem is, they're crap.

I'm traditionally a Labour voter but they are fast turning into a shambles.

[bigimg]http://ufohunterorguk.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ed-miliband.jpg?w=627[/bigimg]

he gets my vote

I was actually proud of him when he defended his Father. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a leader.
And I don't give a crap what religion his family is.

 

[hilts]

I'm traditionally a Labour voter but they are fast turning into a shambles.

[bigimg]http://ufohunterorguk.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ed-miliband.jpg?w=627[/bigimg]

he gets my vote

I was actually proud of him when he defended his Father. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a leader.
And I don't give a crap what religion his family is.

neither do i, i just googled ed milliband pics, twas only a joke, he is unelectable though

 

[mackenzie]

[bigimg]http://ufohunterorguk.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ed-miliband.jpg?w=627[/bigimg]

he gets my vote

I was actually proud of him when he defended his Father. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a leader.
And I don't give a crap what religion his family is.

neither do i, i just googled ed milliband pics, twas only a joke, he is unelectable though

Was it from a UKIP site? ;-)

 

[hilts]

I was actually proud of him when he defended his Father. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a leader.
And I don't give a crap what religion his family is.

neither do i, i just googled ed milliband pics, twas only a joke, he is unelectable though

Was it from a UKIP site? ;-)

Google images i believe

 

[TGR]

I was actually proud of him when he defended his Father. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a leader.
And I don't give a crap what religion his family is.

neither do i, i just googled ed milliband pics, twas only a joke, he is unelectable though

Was it from a UKIP site? ;-)

The LWNJ's are getting nervous!

:-)

 

[hilts]

neither do i, i just googled ed milliband pics, twas only a joke, he is unelectable though

Was it from a UKIP site? ;-)

The LWNJ's are getting nervous!

:-)

We call them the envy crew, it is much better