The General Election Thread

[Helmet Cole]

He probably also thinks labour are a left wing party

Why is what is defined as "left-wing" set in aspic, or for that matter, to be determined by you?

Nice post and this is exactly where we are going wrong,well done sir.
Someone somewhere defined that talking about immigration even whispering that there could be a problem is a fascist naughty thing to do.
It was defined as right wing and obviously nobody with progressive social reformist tendencies would ever stoop so low as look at someone elses passport.
Labour however moved from their great socialist ideals into a more established 'Look after their mates' ideology, you could separate them from the Tories with a rizzla paper.

Top post, couldn't agree more.

 

[blue cigar]

Hey blue cigar, found a link to a racist Rozanne Duncan statement from the 20 years she was in the Conservatives yet? No you haven't have you? How odd that her 20 years in the Conservatives produced no national news coverage, whereas the 6 months in which she joined UKIP before being kicked out because of her racist views saw a concerted, coordinated campaign involving every single national newspaper and TV channel.

20 years.... Complete media silence. 6 months... Can't move for coverage of her story. What changed?

You still haven't addressed the Racist Conservative, Racist Lib Dem and Racist Labour Party's blatantly racist immigratin policy by the way. If you're as bothered about racism as you say you are, why spend your time criticisising one of only two major parties in the UK without a racist stance on Immigration.

I havent found it because i havent looked for it.

Translation: "When making up my mind on a given subject, one thing I absolutely refuse to take into account is evidence."

You stated the fact,you can prove the media bias,simple enough no? Besides which,it doesnt alter the fact that ukip is a racist party,to divert from that and start crying about media bias says much about you.....

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He probably also thinks labour are a left wing party

Why is what is defined as "left-wing" set in aspic, or for that matter, to be determined by you?

Nice post and this is exactly where we are going wrong,well done sir.
Someone somewhere defined that talking about immigration even whispering that there could be a problem is a fascist naughty thing to do.
It was defined as right wing and obviously nobody with progressive social reformist tendencies would ever stoop so low as look at someone elses passport.
Labour however moved from their great socialist ideals into a more established 'Look after their mates' ideology, you could separate them from the Tories with a rizzla paper.

People on the left seem to conveniently forget just how racist and vehemently anti-immigration many (left wing) union leaders were in the late 60's and early 70's.

They operate in a world of doublethink when it comes to left wing philosophy in practice. For "four legs good, two legs bad", read "left wing good, right wing bad" without any apparent attempt to analyse things in a dispassionate, objective manner. It displays an overly-simple way of evaluating the increasingly complex world in which we live.

 

[blue cigar]

Funny how the SNP are not viewed as a racist party , do not a large % of their members openly admit to hate the English ?.

So where are the little lefties frothing at the mouth when there is talk of labour doing deals with racists, could it be that left wing racism and nationalism is acceptable ?.

How about the number of communists and ex communists in the labour party, if there is a fuss because people belonged to the National Front* in their past, where is the outrage about belonging to a party that has murdered millions and is still at it ?

You can go on the BBC with a Joe Stalin (Sixty million) shirt no, no problem, try it with Adolf (Six million) on the front an listen to the uproar.

*For those to young to remember, the NF was the fore runner to the BNP, a bunch of barmpots spray painting slogans and beating the odd poor bugger up, the cry from the left was they were "Nazi`s", who as you should know gassed six million, what you may not be aware of was that the communists killed sixty million in camps, and countless more around the world since.

Id consider myself as left wing and i will happily agree with you about the snp. TtThere seems to be a malaise about the threat they carry,how can they hold power on uk and english issues yet exist solely to break up the uk? Many of them hate the english yet miliband will not rule out a coalition, a nightmare scenario which would see the country governed by alex salmond. To answer your point,yes they are racist and yes they are left wing.

 

[law74]

Ffs Tidy, the fella thinks Stalin was a Communist. What hope of any sense when he thinks that.

He probably also thinks labour are a left wing party

Why is what is defined as "left-wing" set in aspic, or for that matter, to be determined by you?

I would say that a left leaning party should have most if not all of these as core policies
Nationalisation of public utilities like gas electric water etc, same for transport.
Free healthcare and education at the point of need
Progressive taxation based on "from each by their means - to each by their needs
Equality on gender, race, class, religion and sexual orientation

A fairly basic definition but gives what I feel are some of the core values that should be present in a Left Wing party

 

[Chancy Termites]

I havent found it because i havent looked for it.

Translation: "When making up my mind on a given subject, one thing I absolutely refuse to take into account is evidence."

You stated the fact,you can prove the media bias,simple enough no? Besides which,it doesnt alter the fact that ukip is a racist party,to divert from that and start crying about media bias says much about you.....

I've got to be honest, blue cigar, I simply don't understand the meaning of what you've written there. Could you reword it and have another go?

 

[blue cigar]

Translation: "When making up my mind on a given subject, one thing I absolutely refuse to take into account is evidence."

You stated the fact,you can prove the media bias,simple enough no? Besides which,it doesnt alter the fact that ukip is a racist party,to divert from that and start crying about media bias says much about you.....

I've got to be honest, blue cigar, I simply don't understand the meaning of what you've written there. Could you reword it and have another go?

Chancey,likewise i cannot see the point you are making about stories that probably dont exist being turned into media bias,your all over the place. We clearly dont agree on ukip and what they are about, i say they are failing to stand up to media scrutiny and thats their fault,not the media's.

 

[cibaman]

He probably also thinks labour are a left wing party

Why is what is defined as "left-wing" set in aspic, or for that matter, to be determined by you?

I would say that a left leaning party should have most if not all of these as core policies
Nationalisation of public utilities like gas electric water etc, same for transport.
Free healthcare and education at the point of need
Progressive taxation based on "from each by their means - to each by their needs
Equality on gender, race, class, religion and sexual orientation

A fairly basic definition but gives what I feel are some of the core values that should be present in a Left Wing party

Doesnt that illustrate the difference between comminism and socialism? To each according to his needs being the communist ideal, but to each according to his contribution being the socialist interim stage?

 

[malg]

Funny how the SNP are not viewed as a racist party , do not a large % of their members openly admit to hate the English ?.

So where are the little lefties frothing at the mouth when there is talk of labour doing deals with racists, could it be that left wing racism and nationalism is acceptable ?.

How about the number of communists and ex communists in the labour party, if there is a fuss because people belonged to the National Front* in their past, where is the outrage about belonging to a party that has murdered millions and is still at it ?

You can go on the BBC with a Joe Stalin (Sixty million) shirt no, no problem, try it with Adolf (Six million) on the front an listen to the uproar.

*For those to young to remember, the NF was the fore runner to the BNP, a bunch of barmpots spray painting slogans and beating the odd poor bugger up, the cry from the left was they were "Nazi`s", who as you should know gassed six million, what you may not be aware of was that the communists killed sixty million in camps, and countless more around the world since.

Id consider myself as left wing and i will happily agree with you about the snp. TtThere seems to be a malaise about the threat they carry,how can they hold power on uk and english issues yet exist solely to break up the uk? Many of them hate the english yet miliband will not rule out a coalition, a nightmare scenario which would see the country governed by alex salmond. To answer your point,yes they are racist and yes they are left wing.

The SNP are racist because they want independence? I take it SinnFein are also racist then? The Loyalist parties in NI must also be racist as well. Christ, wait until Plaid Cymru start asking for more powers! Seems like the only parties left who won't be racist will be Labour, Conservative and the Lib Dems.

 

[MANC LOYAL]

Funny how the SNP are not viewed as a racist party , do not a large % of their members openly admit to hate the English ?.

So where are the little lefties frothing at the mouth when there is talk of labour doing deals with racists, could it be that left wing racism and nationalism is acceptable ?.

How about the number of communists and ex communists in the labour party, if there is a fuss because people belonged to the National Front* in their past, where is the outrage about belonging to a party that has murdered millions and is still at it ?

You can go on the BBC with a Joe Stalin (Sixty million) shirt no, no problem, try it with Adolf (Six million) on the front an listen to the uproar.

*For those to young to remember, the NF was the fore runner to the BNP, a bunch of barmpots spray painting slogans and beating the odd poor bugger up, the cry from the left was they were "Nazi`s", who as you should know gassed six million, what you may not be aware of was that the communists killed sixty million in camps, and countless more around the world since.

Id consider myself as left wing and i will happily agree with you about the snp. TtThere seems to be a malaise about the threat they carry,how can they hold power on uk and english issues yet exist solely to break up the uk? Many of them hate the english yet miliband will not rule out a coalition, a nightmare scenario which would see the country governed by alex salmond. To answer your point,yes they are racist and yes they are left wing.

The SNP are racist because they want independence? I take it SinnFein are also racist then? The Loyalist parties in NI must also be racist as well. Christ, wait until Plaid Cymru start asking for more powers! Seems like the only parties left who won't be racist will be Labour, Conservative and the Lib Dems.

Don't forget UKIP......